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> their "self driving" feature is horribly lagging behind most other makers (constant phantom braking still a recurring problem after years and years, no prope

> their "self driving" feature is horribly lagging behind most other makers (constant phantom braking still a recurring problem after years and years, no proper automatic overtaking, inferior speed control and speed limit enforcement, etc) Who are these makers that allegedly outclass Autopilot/FSD?

blacksmith_tb 2y ago
Haven't ridden in one, but I think Mercedes' Drive Pilot is supposed to be a contender: https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/27/23892154/mercedes-benz-drive-pilot-autonomous-level-3-test https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/27/23892154/mercedes-benz-dr...
- ripjaygn 2y ago
  Drive Pilot just follows the car in front and has several limitations, it doesn't even have overtaking, so I would be surprised since the parent poster says lack of automatic overtaking is a limitation. Drive Pilot: Works only when behind another car, it just follows that car Cannot change lanes Works only under 40MPH Works only in daylight, does not work at night Does not work in rain Works only in traffic jams and heavy traffic Works only on a few pre-approved roads How is the world is FSD "severely lagging behind" this tech when FSD has none of these limitations? Something weird about how the Mercedes tech is hyped up in message forums.
  - blacksmith_tb 2y ago
    Yes, it does have a lot of limitations, though I suppose one argument would be that if Mercedes isn't willing to do autonomy without a lot of caveats that's because they're risk averse (or at least their lawyers are).
JojoFatsani 2y ago
Haven’t used it myself but every auto journalist YouTube video I’ve seen on SuperCruise says it’s the best in the class. I had the model 3 FSD thirty day trial, it was ok, but not $7000 ok. As for Autopilot.. almost everybody has good lane keeping/radar cruise tech now. My 18 Acura was as good as Autopilot, and maybe better than “post LiDAR” autopilot.
wazoox 2y ago
From all the tests I've made recently, BMW, Mercedes, BYD and Renault all do better than Tesla. Push the left turn signal, the car switches lane, accelerates and overtakes by itself. In the EU at least Teslas can't seem to get this right. Also Teslas are among the lasts (with X-Peng) in their price range lacking a capacitive steering wheel (doesn't require moving the wheel, a light touch from time to time is enough to keep cruise control on). And none of them suffers from the dangerous "phantom braking" defect, which occurs almost certainly at least once for any one-hour long trip.

blacksmith_tb 2y ago

Haven't ridden in one, but I think Mercedes' Drive Pilot is supposed to be a contender: https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/27/23892154/mercedes-benz-drive-pilot-autonomous-level-3-test https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/27/23892154/mercedes-benz-dr...

ripjaygn 2y ago
Drive Pilot just follows the car in front and has several limitations, it doesn't even have overtaking, so I would be surprised since the parent poster says lack of automatic overtaking is a limitation. Drive Pilot: Works only when behind another car, it just follows that car Cannot change lanes Works only under 40MPH Works only in daylight, does not work at night Does not work in rain Works only in traffic jams and heavy traffic Works only on a few pre-approved roads How is the world is FSD "severely lagging behind" this tech when FSD has none of these limitations? Something weird about how the Mercedes tech is hyped up in message forums.
- blacksmith_tb 2y ago
  Yes, it does have a lot of limitations, though I suppose one argument would be that if Mercedes isn't willing to do autonomy without a lot of caveats that's because they're risk averse (or at least their lawyers are).

JojoFatsani 2y ago

Haven’t used it myself but every auto journalist YouTube video I’ve seen on SuperCruise says it’s the best in the class. I had the model 3 FSD thirty day trial, it was ok, but not $7000 ok. As for Autopilot.. almost everybody has good lane keeping/radar cruise tech now. My 18 Acura was as good as Autopilot, and maybe better than “post LiDAR” autopilot.

wazoox 2y ago

From all the tests I've made recently, BMW, Mercedes, BYD and Renault all do better than Tesla. Push the left turn signal, the car switches lane, accelerates and overtakes by itself. In the EU at least Teslas can't seem to get this right. Also Teslas are among the lasts (with X-Peng) in their price range lacking a capacitive steering wheel (doesn't require moving the wheel, a light touch from time to time is enough to keep cruise control on). And none of them suffers from the dangerous "phantom braking" defect, which occurs almost certainly at least once for any one-hour long trip.