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While they offer it they don’t hand it to you for free just because you bought their iCloud storage. The issue here seems to be aimed squarely at slack and the
by gabeio 2y ago
While they offer it they don’t hand it to you for free just because you bought their iCloud storage. The issue here seems to be aimed squarely at slack and the like which have been in-theory pushed out of the market by teams. Of course most of us know that’s unfortunate because if they actually used teams for a little they wouldn’t use it even if it was bundled (probably why MS is trying to stick it everywhere).
- EasyMark 2y agoI thought the issue was that it comes installed by default. Like the old “Microsoft installed a browser to kill netscape” brawl in America.
- Auracle 2y agoWhere does that end? Is Paint ok to have installed by default? You can generate images in it now using some sort of credit system, so it’s not totally free. Should Adobe sue? I just don’t get the EU’s overzealous regulations. Who is being hurt by Teams? Slack/Discord/Zoom? I doubt any major companies are using Teams just because it’s installed. They may be using it because it’s part of the Office Suite, but shouldn’t they be allowed to bundle that? Should Adobe not be able to bundle everything in Creative Cloud? It just seems so arbitrary.
- crabmusket 2y ago> Where does that end? Is Paint ok to have installed by default? These are questions for the democratically controlled regulatory process to decide, which is what's happening with Teams. If you feel that Paint should be considered a harmful bundling practise under current laws, you can organise and push for that investigation to happen. Will it be difficult? Yes. These institutions are slow moving as society is vast and complex. Is it worth it? Yes. Democratic institutions and regulations are the best way we've discovered to conduct human affairs at scale.
- hypercube33 2y agoTechnically paint and notepad and photo viewer are automatically installed from the windows store now on first login.
- chucke1992 2y agono, the issue is not with the installation but basically it is about slack (and some other not-used app) complaining that Teams being a part of an office suite prevented slack from competition. Which is hilarious considering that zoom took off without bundling with anything - while slack STILL is unable to offer a proper video conferencing.
- WheatMillington 2y agoI don't understand how bundling Teams has pushed competitors out of the market. If anything it should make competitors more appealing, as they don't require the bundled MS software?
- arlcode 2y agoEverybody needs Office. There really is no practical way around it for businesses Now companies get a "free" (initially) software in addition to what they actually want. Microsoft can only afford that because they already get Money from their Monopoly product and can finance it that way without the customers having the ability to object (because Office has a market domineering position). Business chat competitors can not compete against that because no matter how good their product, they cannot force companies to buy it as Microsoft can. Result: Teams wins because Office won. That is what they EU is having issues with.
- WheatMillington 2y agoAre we really going to consider the provision of free software to be bad for consumers?
- crowcroft 2y agoI think the best argument I've heard against this is that it kills innovation. If products win in one category by default because a company already won in a different category then we lack the healthy an competitive environment for innovation to thrive in.
- newzisforsukas 2y ago> There really is no practical way around it for businesses No one I work with uses Office. I work for a business.
- arlcode 2y agoFair. Let's say most office based businesses with at least a handful of employees do absolutely need Office or Windows.