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> What's the difference between anti-competitive bundling, and developing seamless integrated experiences? The availability of APIs for third-party developers

> What's the difference between anti-competitive bundling, and developing seamless integrated experiences? The availability of APIs for third-party developers to create a similar competing experience.

stock_toaster 2y ago
Also an actual monopoly (windows OS).
crowcroft 2y ago
I think that's a completely fair distinction. Do you draw the line at APIs? Should Apple be forced to sell H1 chips and let other headphone makers create the same experience as AirPods?
bongodongobob 2y ago
There is one, you can add all sorts of third party add-ons to Teams.
- talldayo 2y ago
  But can your app be integrated into Windows with equal footing as Teams?
  - bongodongobob 2y ago
    I don't even know what that means.
  - moontear 2y ago
    How is the Teams we are talking about here integrated into Windows? Teams is integrated into M365 and taking Outlook as an example you can register another calling/status app just like others do so your online status and calling functionality is not Teams (used to be Skype).
    - bearjaws 2y ago
      It's now installed by default and in your task bar on Windows 11. It's not even just an icon either, its similar to OneDrive where removing it is non-trivial. https://www.reddit.com/r/Intune/comments/10whv8c/hows_everyone_removing_the_teams_for_home_app_in/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Intune/comments/10whv8c/hows_everyo... https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/q4elim/can_we_talk_about_what_microsoft_is_doing_with/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/q4elim/can_we_ta... When will Slack get this same level of access? They won't ever.
      - bongodongobob 2y ago
        What do you mean by "access"?
        talldayo 2y ago
        > What do you mean by "access"? Strictly speaking, the ability for a third-party application to leverage Teams' features without bundling with the OS like Teams.
elevatedastalt 2y ago
What API exists for third-party developers to create experiences similar to first party Apple apps?
- NekkoDroid 2y ago
  Thats exactly the problem: there aren't. Which is part of the reason why the DMA even really exists.

stock_toaster 2y ago

Also an actual monopoly (windows OS).

crowcroft 2y ago

I think that's a completely fair distinction. Do you draw the line at APIs? Should Apple be forced to sell H1 chips and let other headphone makers create the same experience as AirPods?

bongodongobob 2y ago

There is one, you can add all sorts of third party add-ons to Teams.

talldayo 2y ago
But can your app be integrated into Windows with equal footing as Teams?
- bongodongobob 2y ago
  I don't even know what that means.
- moontear 2y ago
  How is the Teams we are talking about here integrated into Windows? Teams is integrated into M365 and taking Outlook as an example you can register another calling/status app just like others do so your online status and calling functionality is not Teams (used to be Skype).
  - bearjaws 2y ago
    It's now installed by default and in your task bar on Windows 11. It's not even just an icon either, its similar to OneDrive where removing it is non-trivial. https://www.reddit.com/r/Intune/comments/10whv8c/hows_everyone_removing_the_teams_for_home_app_in/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Intune/comments/10whv8c/hows_everyo... https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/q4elim/can_we_talk_about_what_microsoft_is_doing_with/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/q4elim/can_we_ta... When will Slack get this same level of access? They won't ever.
    - bongodongobob 2y ago
      What do you mean by "access"?
      - talldayo 2y ago
        > What do you mean by "access"? Strictly speaking, the ability for a third-party application to leverage Teams' features without bundling with the OS like Teams.

elevatedastalt 2y ago

What API exists for third-party developers to create experiences similar to first party Apple apps?

NekkoDroid 2y ago
Thats exactly the problem: there aren't. Which is part of the reason why the DMA even really exists.