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What is shocking, is that random parents with no teaching background can usually deliver a child through a k-12 curriculum with superior outcomes vs. the averag

What is shocking, is that random parents with no teaching background can usually deliver a child through a k-12 curriculum with superior outcomes vs. the average public school. That, alone, is a stinging indictment of public education. And, usually spending about the total daily time required for just the assigned homework from a public school.

11101010001100 2y ago
While this may be, the regression to the mean is strong. These kids who are so far ahead tend not to make a blip once out of college...
snowwrestler 2y ago
> random parents with no teaching background can usually deliver a child through a k-12 curriculum with superior outcomes vs. the average public school. This is not what actually happens. For example, the parents who actually do this are not random.
mock-possum 2y ago
I mean… yeah, if it was my full time job to educate my one child at home, then yeah, I feel pretty good about my chances of making that work - but also having that kind of time, and money, and energy to commit to a task like that is just… I mean, who can afford that, practically speaking? That’s a 13 year unpaid commitment that you have no training for or skills in, and the stakes are the success of your child. Are you prepared for all that? I guess my point being - it’s not ‘random parents’ in your example, it’s parents that are already in a position to be able to and to be willing to deliver a child though a k-12 curriculum with superior outcomes.
squigz 2y ago
Data, please?
SkyPuncher 2y ago
I'm deeply skeptical of this one since all of the kids I've known to be home school were socially and academically well behind their peers.
dangus 2y ago
From Psychology Today: > The most common reason cited for homeschooling (before the pandemic) was concern about the local school environment, I would guess the sample is spoiled because one doesn’t tend to homeschool if your public school is adequate. Still, even if you ignore that, outcomes are far less impressive than you’re making them sound. > children in “unstructured” homeschool environments without organized lesson plans tend to score lower than children in conventional schools. So this unschooling thing qualifies as unstructured which means worse scores than conventional schools. But that’s just test scores. Overall outcomes are not super impressive. > In addition, most studies have found no difference between homeschooled and conventional students in college graduation rates. However, most homeschooled students do not attend competitive four-year colleges and one study found that homeschooled students may have lower math GPAs in college than children from conventional schools. Children who are homeschooled may also be more likely to work in a lower-paying job. So to sum up, homeschooled kids might test better, unless they are “unschooled,” and they’ll probably have a lower paying job. And I find this terribly unimpressive for having a far better student teacher ratio than public school. Source: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/parenting-translator/202109/the-research-homeschooling https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/parenting-translator...

11101010001100 2y ago

While this may be, the regression to the mean is strong. These kids who are so far ahead tend not to make a blip once out of college...

snowwrestler 2y ago

> random parents with no teaching background can usually deliver a child through a k-12 curriculum with superior outcomes vs. the average public school. This is not what actually happens. For example, the parents who actually do this are not random.

mock-possum 2y ago

I mean… yeah, if it was my full time job to educate my one child at home, then yeah, I feel pretty good about my chances of making that work - but also having that kind of time, and money, and energy to commit to a task like that is just… I mean, who can afford that, practically speaking? That’s a 13 year unpaid commitment that you have no training for or skills in, and the stakes are the success of your child. Are you prepared for all that? I guess my point being - it’s not ‘random parents’ in your example, it’s parents that are already in a position to be able to and to be willing to deliver a child though a k-12 curriculum with superior outcomes.

squigz 2y ago

Data, please?

SkyPuncher 2y ago

I'm deeply skeptical of this one since all of the kids I've known to be home school were socially and academically well behind their peers.

dangus 2y ago

From Psychology Today: > The most common reason cited for homeschooling (before the pandemic) was concern about the local school environment, I would guess the sample is spoiled because one doesn’t tend to homeschool if your public school is adequate. Still, even if you ignore that, outcomes are far less impressive than you’re making them sound. > children in “unstructured” homeschool environments without organized lesson plans tend to score lower than children in conventional schools. So this unschooling thing qualifies as unstructured which means worse scores than conventional schools. But that’s just test scores. Overall outcomes are not super impressive. > In addition, most studies have found no difference between homeschooled and conventional students in college graduation rates. However, most homeschooled students do not attend competitive four-year colleges and one study found that homeschooled students may have lower math GPAs in college than children from conventional schools. Children who are homeschooled may also be more likely to work in a lower-paying job. So to sum up, homeschooled kids might test better, unless they are “unschooled,” and they’ll probably have a lower paying job. And I find this terribly unimpressive for having a far better student teacher ratio than public school. Source: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/parenting-translator/202109/the-research-homeschooling https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/parenting-translator...