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>I think that too many parents think there’s something wildly wrong with the public school system for a few reasons that include: By almost any objective metri

>I think that too many parents think there’s something wildly wrong with the public school system for a few reasons that include: By almost any objective metric, there is something wrong with the school system, and the fact that this isn't something people admit is probably a reason there is a lot of pushback against it. People in support of the public school system aren't even willing to educate themselves on its failures and weaknesses. >even if they are not statistically better outcomes. So here once again you're saying there are not statistically better outcomes, but do you have a source? From the data i've seen, you have this baskwards and that public schools do statistically have worse outcomes. >. It’s very inequitable based on your zip code. Again, this is not actually true if you spend time looking at actual data. Most school districts are funded by the state our county, and often the budgets are higher low income areas.

runsfromfire 2y ago
Interesting that you call out his lack of data/sources, assert he is wrong, and don’t provide any sources of your own. It seems like zip code is a good indicator of public education quality, though. Here’s an actual source if you’d like to read about it: https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/republicans/2019/11/zoned-out-how-school-and-residential-zoning-limit-educational-opportunity https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/republicans/2019... If you’re curious about wealth impact on public schooling quality, see table 1 for a clear breakdown.
- VirusNewbie 2y ago
  >If you’re curious about wealth impact on public schooling quality, see table 1 for a clear breakdown. We weren't talking about wealth of households, we were talking about the amount of funding that goes into poorer areas vs richer areas. I'm not sure you actually understand the charts you're sharing. What you linked shows an expected correlation between student performance (as well as teacher quality, both of which are combined to give schools an A+ score), and being in an area with more expensive homes.
exe34 2y ago
> So here once again you're saying there are not statistically better outcomes, but do you have a source? he asserted the null hypothesis. as a random nobody on the sidelines, I expect you to provide the evidence here.
- dangus 2y ago
  This is a discussion board not a research paper. I didn’t provide sources because I was speaking my opinion. Weird to give me criticism for that when literally nobody else has any sources in the whole thread.
rhelz 2y ago
> By almost any objective metric, there is something wrong with the school system, In a free market, how do you signal that you want a higher-quality product? Buehler? Buehler? Frankly, given the top-down constraints, and the amazingly low budget, its pretty damn amazing they are doing so well. I'm transitioning to teaching from programming on wall street. I expect my first year's salary as a teacher to be less than half of what my annual bonus was. You can't solve every problem by throwing money at it---but you can't solve every problem by NOT throwing money at it either :-)
- VirusNewbie 2y ago
  >and the amazingly low budget, its pretty damn amazing they are doing so well. The US spends more per student than almost any other country. "low budget" is just a lie folks tell gullible people.
  - rhelz 2y ago
    Yeah, well, how come schools which get more money do better than schools who don't? The U.S. spends more money per patient than almost any other country too. 3x what Canada spends. I guess you would be a big fan of a Canadian-style health care system?
    - VirusNewbie 2y ago
      >ow come schools which get more money do better than schools who don't? They don't, that's my whole point. California funnels more money to low income areas than it does to higher income areas. They have more financial resources.

runsfromfire 2y ago

Interesting that you call out his lack of data/sources, assert he is wrong, and don’t provide any sources of your own. It seems like zip code is a good indicator of public education quality, though. Here’s an actual source if you’d like to read about it: https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/republicans/2019/11/zoned-out-how-school-and-residential-zoning-limit-educational-opportunity https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/republicans/2019... If you’re curious about wealth impact on public schooling quality, see table 1 for a clear breakdown.

VirusNewbie 2y ago
>If you’re curious about wealth impact on public schooling quality, see table 1 for a clear breakdown. We weren't talking about wealth of households, we were talking about the amount of funding that goes into poorer areas vs richer areas. I'm not sure you actually understand the charts you're sharing. What you linked shows an expected correlation between student performance (as well as teacher quality, both of which are combined to give schools an A+ score), and being in an area with more expensive homes.

exe34 2y ago

> So here once again you're saying there are not statistically better outcomes, but do you have a source? he asserted the null hypothesis. as a random nobody on the sidelines, I expect you to provide the evidence here.

dangus 2y ago
This is a discussion board not a research paper. I didn’t provide sources because I was speaking my opinion. Weird to give me criticism for that when literally nobody else has any sources in the whole thread.

rhelz 2y ago

> By almost any objective metric, there is something wrong with the school system, In a free market, how do you signal that you want a higher-quality product? Buehler? Buehler? Frankly, given the top-down constraints, and the amazingly low budget, its pretty damn amazing they are doing so well. I'm transitioning to teaching from programming on wall street. I expect my first year's salary as a teacher to be less than half of what my annual bonus was. You can't solve every problem by throwing money at it---but you can't solve every problem by NOT throwing money at it either :-)

VirusNewbie 2y ago
>and the amazingly low budget, its pretty damn amazing they are doing so well. The US spends more per student than almost any other country. "low budget" is just a lie folks tell gullible people.
- rhelz 2y ago
  Yeah, well, how come schools which get more money do better than schools who don't? The U.S. spends more money per patient than almost any other country too. 3x what Canada spends. I guess you would be a big fan of a Canadian-style health care system?
  - VirusNewbie 2y ago
    >ow come schools which get more money do better than schools who don't? They don't, that's my whole point. California funnels more money to low income areas than it does to higher income areas. They have more financial resources.