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AFAIK the only proven meddling from Russia was stirring stuff up in a party- and faction-neutral way. They were trying to cause chaos, not try and get one party

by Kye 2y ago

AFAIK the only proven meddling from Russia was stirring stuff up in a party- and faction-neutral way. They were trying to cause chaos, not try and get one party or another elected. Their agents would, for example, organize a protest on Facebook, then organize the counter-protest at the same location.

drawnwren 2y ago
I'm not clear what you're arguing against, but you seem to be making an argument about a previous election and not a future one. Do you believe that Russia benefits equally from the election of either candidate this time around? Also, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_assassinations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_assassinations
- CaptWillard 2y ago
  Do you believe that's a meaningful metric? Because it's not. The distinction between Biden and Trump is that Trump is opposed to the machine that's been responsible for decades of disastrous foreign policy, while Biden is the face of that very same machine. Putin is far from the only foreign leader who would prefer Trump. It's silly to attempt this framing.
  - CaptWillard 2y ago
    I mean, sorry if you're one of those "electricians on the Death Star" just trying to pay your mortgage, but your downvotes aren't going to put that toothpaste back in the tube.
  - CalChris 2y ago
    Kim Jong-Un and Xi Jinping would prefer Trump as well.
af78 2y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_20... It went far beyond a couple of artificial protests. Russia did support Trump in 2016 (and beyond), Trump was quite happy about it.
sandworm101 2y ago
>> They were trying to cause chaos, not try and get one party or another elected. But what if the decision is between a stability candidate and a pro-chaos candidate? I think then that Russia would take a side. And I doubt many would debate that one candidate is clearly more pro-chaos than the other.
usefulcat 2y ago
Maybe. And yet it did rather work out in their favor. If you were Russia in 2016, would you have preferred that the next US President be someone competent with significant foreign policy experience, or a Putin-idolizing fool with zero foreign policy experience?

by Kye 2y ago

drawnwren 2y ago

I'm not clear what you're arguing against, but you seem to be making an argument about a previous election and not a future one. Do you believe that Russia benefits equally from the election of either candidate this time around? Also, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_assassinations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_assassinations

CaptWillard 2y ago
Do you believe that's a meaningful metric? Because it's not. The distinction between Biden and Trump is that Trump is opposed to the machine that's been responsible for decades of disastrous foreign policy, while Biden is the face of that very same machine. Putin is far from the only foreign leader who would prefer Trump. It's silly to attempt this framing.
- CaptWillard 2y ago
  I mean, sorry if you're one of those "electricians on the Death Star" just trying to pay your mortgage, but your downvotes aren't going to put that toothpaste back in the tube.
- CalChris 2y ago
  Kim Jong-Un and Xi Jinping would prefer Trump as well.

af78 2y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_20... It went far beyond a couple of artificial protests. Russia did support Trump in 2016 (and beyond), Trump was quite happy about it.

sandworm101 2y ago

>> They were trying to cause chaos, not try and get one party or another elected. But what if the decision is between a stability candidate and a pro-chaos candidate? I think then that Russia would take a side. And I doubt many would debate that one candidate is clearly more pro-chaos than the other.

usefulcat 2y ago

Maybe. And yet it did rather work out in their favor. If you were Russia in 2016, would you have preferred that the next US President be someone competent with significant foreign policy experience, or a Putin-idolizing fool with zero foreign policy experience?