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There is evidence to suggest this has been going on since before WW2[1] https://www.oxfordbibliographies.com/display/document/obo-9780199840731/obo-97801998407

There is evidence to suggest this has been going on since before WW2[1] https://www.oxfordbibliographies.com/display/document/obo-9780199840731/obo-9780199840731-0006.xml https://www.oxfordbibliographies.com/display/document/obo-97...

adamtaylor_13 2y ago
Since before WW2 when the Israeli nation didn't exist? (Yes, I'm aware of the historical context of "Israel", but the nation as we know it today didn't exist until 1948).
- lawlessone 2y ago
  The movement to form a nation had started pre world war two. It had some backers but obviously wasn't as urgent before then.
- bitcharmer 2y ago
  The diaspora existed long before the state
rf15 2y ago
It ramped up drastically only a few decades before, but yes, Revisionist Zionism is a religious extremist movement that spent and still is spending a lot of effort and money to justify the existence of their own exclusive country that never existed in the shape they claimed it to be. (Which is the area of Palestine AND Jordan. I drew this conclusion largely from reading too much Wikipedia) Now that it exists though, I'm afraid we must accept that and work with the new status quo. We can't just displace or kill a couple of thousands people for historic justice, right? Edit: Downvote me, I'm endlessly pissed over the hypocrisy of my own country on the matter.
sequoia 2y ago
Can you clarify what “evidence” your link provides? And what exactly are you suggesting “has been going on”? Your claim is vague and spooky. Please clarify what you think “they” have been doing.
- AustinDev 2y ago
  A Zionist influence campaign targeting western governments and public opinion with the aim form an Israeli state predates WW2 and has been going on for over a century. Not sure you're referring to with your scare quoted 'they'.
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    - racional 2y ago
      1. What are you suggesting “has been going on since before World War II”? Before Israel's formation as a state -- a campaign to influence public opinion and policy in favor of that formation. Afterwards -- a campaign to defend its unlawful and unrecognized territorial expansion; to deny its atrocities (from 1948 through the present day) for as long as possible; and to keep U.S. military and financial support flowing, no matter what Israel does. And as an added cherry on top: an astonishly successful campaign to brand essentially any serious criticism of Israel's policies or its founding ideology as antisemitic. 4. Don’t be coy, you know precisely the “they” you’re referring to. There is no “they”, scare-quoted or otherwise, in the commenter's posts in this thread (except when they're quoting from yours). However we see that you've introduced this formulation twice now. Perhaps you'd care to explain why you are doubling down on this rather peculiar misrepresentation of the commenter's words. Don't be coy now.
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adamtaylor_13 2y ago

Since before WW2 when the Israeli nation didn't exist? (Yes, I'm aware of the historical context of "Israel", but the nation as we know it today didn't exist until 1948).

lawlessone 2y ago
The movement to form a nation had started pre world war two. It had some backers but obviously wasn't as urgent before then.
bitcharmer 2y ago
The diaspora existed long before the state

rf15 2y ago

It ramped up drastically only a few decades before, but yes, Revisionist Zionism is a religious extremist movement that spent and still is spending a lot of effort and money to justify the existence of their own exclusive country that never existed in the shape they claimed it to be. (Which is the area of Palestine AND Jordan. I drew this conclusion largely from reading too much Wikipedia) Now that it exists though, I'm afraid we must accept that and work with the new status quo. We can't just displace or kill a couple of thousands people for historic justice, right? Edit: Downvote me, I'm endlessly pissed over the hypocrisy of my own country on the matter.

sequoia 2y ago

Can you clarify what “evidence” your link provides? And what exactly are you suggesting “has been going on”? Your claim is vague and spooky. Please clarify what you think “they” have been doing.

AustinDev 2y ago
A Zionist influence campaign targeting western governments and public opinion with the aim form an Israeli state predates WW2 and has been going on for over a century. Not sure you're referring to with your scare quoted 'they'.
- sequoia 2y ago
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  - racional 2y ago
    1. What are you suggesting “has been going on since before World War II”? Before Israel's formation as a state -- a campaign to influence public opinion and policy in favor of that formation. Afterwards -- a campaign to defend its unlawful and unrecognized territorial expansion; to deny its atrocities (from 1948 through the present day) for as long as possible; and to keep U.S. military and financial support flowing, no matter what Israel does. And as an added cherry on top: an astonishly successful campaign to brand essentially any serious criticism of Israel's policies or its founding ideology as antisemitic. 4. Don’t be coy, you know precisely the “they” you’re referring to. There is no “they”, scare-quoted or otherwise, in the commenter's posts in this thread (except when they're quoting from yours). However we see that you've introduced this formulation twice now. Perhaps you'd care to explain why you are doubling down on this rather peculiar misrepresentation of the commenter's words. Don't be coy now.
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