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I am going to hold the celebrations until we are sure there isn't anything else on the horizon. He isn't getting a pardon and being declared free and clear of c
by sandworm101 2y ago
I am going to hold the celebrations until we are sure there isn't anything else on the horizon. He isn't getting a pardon and being declared free and clear of charges in the US is very difficult. Who knows what state prosecutor might want to bring new state charges. He may also be wanted as a material witness. If I were him I wouldn't set foot outside Australia ever again.
- bbor 2y ago[flagged]
- ralusek 2y agoTrump strikes me as far more likely to grant him a pardon than Biden. Biden is neoliberal, which are just as hawkish as neocons (they’re functionally identical). Trump is more of a populist, anti-war, “anti-deep-state” (i.e. intelligence agencies) sort, who has at least entertained the idea of a pardon.
- jasonlaramburu 2y agoTrump had 4 years to free Assange but did nothing. He will say anything to get elected. It's surprising how people don't see it. In Texas we call that 'All hat, no cattle.'
- ralusek 2y agoBiden has also had 4 years, I simply said who was more likely to pardon.
- jasonlaramburu 2y agoRight and presumably the guy who actually freed him, vs just talk, is going to be more likely to pardon him?
- funkhouser 2y ago[flagged]
- nextaccountic 2y agoTrouble is, as part of the deal he is headed to an US territory next to Australia, right? Seems like the perfect place to kidnap him
- elif 2y agoThat would be a great way for Biden to blow the election for no reason.
- drawnwren 2y ago[flagged]
- tradertef 2y agoewww.. horrible comment.
- cupcakecommons 2y agoI get that your comment is a hyperbolic jab at Trump supporters but why is a pro-Russian candidate actually bad - besides the tiresome comparisons of Putin to Hitler and similar claims? It seems like NATO didn't disband or let Russia join after it asked to multiple times because we have a military industrial complex that requires perpetual war to sustain itself. Why risk nuclear war over vague political goals like "containment" and "spreading democracy" when engaging Russia in this way will mean Russia is fighting for its survival. Honestly asking because I don't understand.
- immibis 2y agoPutin is compared to Hitler because he is like Hitler. You are not honestly asking. This, and the rest of it, has been explained to you countless times before.
- oldpersonintx 2y ago[dead]
- paulnpace 2y agoMy understanding is that a pardon cannot be granted without a conviction.
- sandworm101 2y agoHe is getting a conviction. This is a plea deal. He will be admitting to the crime of conspiracy after which he will be a convicted by the court. He will then be a convicted felon and could be pardoned, but I doubt that is really an option. (Not 100% on the felony thing, I haven't seen how this is being charged.)
- deleted 2y ago[deleted]
- which 2y agoMarc Rich was pardoned while a fugitive for much more serious crimes.
- sidewndr46 2y agothere is no such constitutional restriction. A pardon can be issued for crimes that are not even known to have occurred or are purely imagined.
- CalChris 2y agoRichard Nixon would like a word with you.
- jayknight 2y agoYou can definitely get pardoned before getting convicted. Trump pardoned Stephen Bannon after he got indicted wire fraud and money laundering, so he never went to trial for that. https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2021/05/25/steve-bannon-officially-cleared-of-federal-charges-after-trump-pardon---but-this-state-probe-still-looms/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2021/05/25/steve-b...
- plorg 2y agoThe pardon power seems to be very broad, and is most likely constrained by politics more than by statute. Set aside the idle speculation about a president pardoning themselves, pardons have been granted to whole classes of people for crimes you have yet to be charged with. Consider Jimmy Carter pardoning draft dodgers or Abraham Lincoln pardoning soldiers who fought for the Confederate army.