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The issue is China. Most of Europe and USA have laws that disuade single use plastics. In China where you can get door to door delivery for a single cup of bu

The issue is China. Most of Europe and USA have laws that disuade single use plastics. In China where you can get door to door delivery for a single cup of bubble tea that includes, a plastic cup, lid, straw, and spoon, plastic holder to keep the cup upright , thermal bag to keep the bubble tea cold , and another bag for the delivery guy to hand carry. It’s fucking bonkers the amount of waste they produce.

flanked-evergl 2y ago
Western voters keep voting for impractical regulation that just result in production shifting to countries with no regulation, where the goods get produced with severely detrimental social and environmental consequences. I think people should seriously ask themselves, if they are not for some form of deregulation in their own country, why are they fine with buying things produced without that regulation from other countries? If USA and Europe banned all imports of goods produced in economies with lower regulation than theirs, then China's bad labour and environmental practices will become mostly inconsequential, as their production volume would be mostly inconsequential. Furthermore, if USA and Europe had reasonable domestic regulations, they would not need to buy so many goods from China to begin with. Another way to think about it, the greatest beneficiary of environmental regulation in the west has not been the environment. It has been non-western countries where the regulation does not apply. Germany shuts down their nuclear power plants, and as a result, you get war in Ukraine, and Germany anyway ends up buying nuclear power from France because it's become somewhat unfashionable for Germany to keep bankrolling Putin's aggression.
- georgeplusplus 2y ago
  I’m talking about locals living in Chinese. What you’re talking about is tangential, but the single use culture is astronomical and their middle class outnumbers Europe and USA because of their large population who participate in this single use culture. It’s mind boggling the waste you will see in Chinas river and natures in the cities and outskirts

flanked-evergl 2y ago

Western voters keep voting for impractical regulation that just result in production shifting to countries with no regulation, where the goods get produced with severely detrimental social and environmental consequences. I think people should seriously ask themselves, if they are not for some form of deregulation in their own country, why are they fine with buying things produced without that regulation from other countries? If USA and Europe banned all imports of goods produced in economies with lower regulation than theirs, then China's bad labour and environmental practices will become mostly inconsequential, as their production volume would be mostly inconsequential. Furthermore, if USA and Europe had reasonable domestic regulations, they would not need to buy so many goods from China to begin with. Another way to think about it, the greatest beneficiary of environmental regulation in the west has not been the environment. It has been non-western countries where the regulation does not apply. Germany shuts down their nuclear power plants, and as a result, you get war in Ukraine, and Germany anyway ends up buying nuclear power from France because it's become somewhat unfashionable for Germany to keep bankrolling Putin's aggression.

georgeplusplus 2y ago
I’m talking about locals living in Chinese. What you’re talking about is tangential, but the single use culture is astronomical and their middle class outnumbers Europe and USA because of their large population who participate in this single use culture. It’s mind boggling the waste you will see in Chinas river and natures in the cities and outskirts