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Because they (or myself - or yourself) are not empowered to systematically commit crimes by their/our citizens - who pay for the privilege of that through taxat

Because they (or myself - or yourself) are not empowered to systematically commit crimes by their/our citizens - who pay for the privilege of that through taxation. So - you are saying that governments should not be accountable and transparent in their operations? Transparency within the limits of safety (intelligence gathering/criminal investigation (while it is underway - once it hits the courts and convictions are made, should be transparent) - yet - what happens when those who have the power are abusing it and committing criminal acts? Yeah - give me the leakers, give me the dissidents - because you end-up with an out-of-control fascist police-state otherwise.

colechristensen 2y ago
>what happens when those who have the power are abusing it and committing criminal acts? I never saw anything on Wikileaks I thought needed to be leaked. >Because they (or myself - or yourself) are not empowered to systematically commit crimes by their/our citizens - who pay for the privilege of that through taxation. You have power over, say, your children, spouse, parents, maybe you manage folks? Do they have a right to dump all your information to each other? >Yeah - give me the leakers, give me the dissidents - because you end-up with an out-of-control fascist police-state otherwise. This is exactly the kind of teenage rebel logic I'm talking about. Snowden exposed an actual significant abuse of power issue. Assange didn't, as far as I know with the things I've seen and remember. People who want to blindly rebel but have nothing but vague charges and cannot point to real issues supporting anything anti-government. Adults need to focus on understanding the real problems of government and providing real feedback on logically sound arguments. Not ambiguous "down with the man" rhetoric. You live in a world that needs government to function and governments need to keep secrets.
- pydry 2y ago
  >I never saw anything on Wikileaks I thought needed to be leaked. This is essentially a pro war crime position.

colechristensen 2y ago

>what happens when those who have the power are abusing it and committing criminal acts? I never saw anything on Wikileaks I thought needed to be leaked. >Because they (or myself - or yourself) are not empowered to systematically commit crimes by their/our citizens - who pay for the privilege of that through taxation. You have power over, say, your children, spouse, parents, maybe you manage folks? Do they have a right to dump all your information to each other? >Yeah - give me the leakers, give me the dissidents - because you end-up with an out-of-control fascist police-state otherwise. This is exactly the kind of teenage rebel logic I'm talking about. Snowden exposed an actual significant abuse of power issue. Assange didn't, as far as I know with the things I've seen and remember. People who want to blindly rebel but have nothing but vague charges and cannot point to real issues supporting anything anti-government. Adults need to focus on understanding the real problems of government and providing real feedback on logically sound arguments. Not ambiguous "down with the man" rhetoric. You live in a world that needs government to function and governments need to keep secrets.

pydry 2y ago
>I never saw anything on Wikileaks I thought needed to be leaked. This is essentially a pro war crime position.