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> a country that might jail him for life or execute him I've always found this claim to be extremely shrill — and doubly so now. This is the same country that

> a country that might jail him for life or execute him I've always found this claim to be extremely shrill — and doubly so now. This is the same country that just agreed to let him plead guilty in exchange for, essentially, time served (~5 years). It's also the same country whose president commuted Chelsea Manning's sentence down to 7 years. Your basic claim is not an unreasonable one: people plead guilty because they'd rather take the deal than face the possibility of a worse outcome at trial. But what will it take to stop the rhetoric about the U.S. wanting to lock him up and throw away the key?

vidarh 2y ago
It's also the same country that agreed to it only after it became clear that there was a real chance they might suffer the embarrassment of not getting an extradition and/or have to deal with a government after the election come the July 4 election that might - despite how I dislike Starmer - be at least somewhat less receptive to US pressure. > It's also the same country whose president commuted Chelsea Manning's sentence down to 7 years. The same country who may have a different president come November with a history of calling the Assange case a priority. Why would anyone feel safe relying on the luck of the draw of the president at any given time to get out of what was an initial utterly extreme sentence? > But what will it take to stop the rhetoric about the U.S. wanting to lock him up and throw away the key? When the US stops sentencing people to 35 years like with Chelsea Manning's initial sentence, and there's been a long period without e.g. illegal rendition flights, when Guantanamo Bay has been closed for a few decades and no new camps have taken it's place etc. Maybe when a couple of generations have passed, in other words.
tremon 2y ago
But what will it take to stop the rhetoric about the U.S. wanting to lock him up and throw away the key? Actually acknowledging and prosecuting the war crimes that were exposed would be a good start.

vidarh 2y ago

It's also the same country that agreed to it only after it became clear that there was a real chance they might suffer the embarrassment of not getting an extradition and/or have to deal with a government after the election come the July 4 election that might - despite how I dislike Starmer - be at least somewhat less receptive to US pressure. > It's also the same country whose president commuted Chelsea Manning's sentence down to 7 years. The same country who may have a different president come November with a history of calling the Assange case a priority. Why would anyone feel safe relying on the luck of the draw of the president at any given time to get out of what was an initial utterly extreme sentence? > But what will it take to stop the rhetoric about the U.S. wanting to lock him up and throw away the key? When the US stops sentencing people to 35 years like with Chelsea Manning's initial sentence, and there's been a long period without e.g. illegal rendition flights, when Guantanamo Bay has been closed for a few decades and no new camps have taken it's place etc. Maybe when a couple of generations have passed, in other words.

tremon 2y ago

But what will it take to stop the rhetoric about the U.S. wanting to lock him up and throw away the key? Actually acknowledging and prosecuting the war crimes that were exposed would be a good start.