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Not the GP, but from the top of my head: - semiconductor manufacturing - Internet and social media, streaming services, etc. - Cryptocurrencies - Smartphone

Not the GP, but from the top of my head: - semiconductor manufacturing - Internet and social media, streaming services, etc. - Cryptocurrencies - Smartphones and related app stores - Electric cars - Self-driving cars - AI It certainly feels like all the technological innovation happens in the US, and sometimes in China, but never in Europe.

spiralpolitik 2y ago
Some counter points: ARM originated at a European company (Acorn/Olivetti). Bluetooth originated at a European Company (Ericsson) Psion, Nokia, and Ericsson invented what would be considered the basics of the Smartphone (via Symbian, Series 60 etc) Spotify is a Swedish company. Nokia and Ericsson produce a good amount of the telecoms infrastructure equipment. While Europe certainly hasn't had a start-up culture on par with the US it hasn't been a complete slouch either.
- Detrytus 2y ago
  Acorn was a British company, not European, and had significant help from Apple since 1980s. Nokia never really had any significant share of smartphone market once it took of. Nokia and Ericsson telecom infrastructure is inferior to Huawei's. I will give you Bluetooth and Spotify, but that's just a drop in a bucket.
  - spiralpolitik 2y ago
    Olivetti (an Italian company) took over Acorn in 1985. This was around the time the ARM processor was being developed. Acorn was in danger of going under at this time when one of their creditors bounced. Apple didn't come along until much later.
  - hifromwork 2y ago
    >Acorn was a British company, not European Last I've checked UK was firmly in Europe. I assume you meant something different, because literal interpretation makes no sense to me. Can you clarify?
    - Detrytus 2y ago
      Sorry, I meant it more like UK is in many regards more similar to the US, than to the rest of Europe. I mean stuff like common law vs civil law, the way you start/grow your business, access to financing, etc.
hifromwork 2y ago
> Internet and social media, streaming services, etc. The very WWW originated at CERN in Europe. > Cryptocurrencies For all we know Satoshi could've been an European. Same goes for Nicolas van Saberhagen. Vitalik is neither European nor from the US. I'm not an expert, but most of the US cryptocurrency startups I see are cheap pyramid schemes, and no real innovation anymore. > AI DeepMind was a British company. It had several successes, and was acquired by Google later, which raises a question what does it mean "innovation happens in the US". In this case innovation happens in UK, but it's owned by a American company. There's certainly a lot more, but (similarly to you) I don't keep track of nationality of every company I interact with. And the question is pretty fuzzy in case of very international companies.

spiralpolitik 2y ago

Some counter points: ARM originated at a European company (Acorn/Olivetti). Bluetooth originated at a European Company (Ericsson) Psion, Nokia, and Ericsson invented what would be considered the basics of the Smartphone (via Symbian, Series 60 etc) Spotify is a Swedish company. Nokia and Ericsson produce a good amount of the telecoms infrastructure equipment. While Europe certainly hasn't had a start-up culture on par with the US it hasn't been a complete slouch either.

Detrytus 2y ago
Acorn was a British company, not European, and had significant help from Apple since 1980s. Nokia never really had any significant share of smartphone market once it took of. Nokia and Ericsson telecom infrastructure is inferior to Huawei's. I will give you Bluetooth and Spotify, but that's just a drop in a bucket.
- spiralpolitik 2y ago
  Olivetti (an Italian company) took over Acorn in 1985. This was around the time the ARM processor was being developed. Acorn was in danger of going under at this time when one of their creditors bounced. Apple didn't come along until much later.
- hifromwork 2y ago
  >Acorn was a British company, not European Last I've checked UK was firmly in Europe. I assume you meant something different, because literal interpretation makes no sense to me. Can you clarify?
  - Detrytus 2y ago
    Sorry, I meant it more like UK is in many regards more similar to the US, than to the rest of Europe. I mean stuff like common law vs civil law, the way you start/grow your business, access to financing, etc.

hifromwork 2y ago

> Internet and social media, streaming services, etc. The very WWW originated at CERN in Europe. > Cryptocurrencies For all we know Satoshi could've been an European. Same goes for Nicolas van Saberhagen. Vitalik is neither European nor from the US. I'm not an expert, but most of the US cryptocurrency startups I see are cheap pyramid schemes, and no real innovation anymore. > AI DeepMind was a British company. It had several successes, and was acquired by Google later, which raises a question what does it mean "innovation happens in the US". In this case innovation happens in UK, but it's owned by a American company. There's certainly a lot more, but (similarly to you) I don't keep track of nationality of every company I interact with. And the question is pretty fuzzy in case of very international companies.