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All EU countries indeed have systems in place to limit undue advantages that any child can have (it's called a public education system and social security and l

by quonn 2y ago

All EU countries indeed have systems in place to limit undue advantages that any child can have (it's called a public education system and social security and later in life just "the law"). As for anti-trust issues, you clearly don't understand them.

endisneigh 2y ago
You’re correct. I am not an expert on anti trust, but I do see that the EU has missed the boat on every new industry in the 21st century compared to the USA. We will see in 100 years if regulation was the right move or not. As for education - I doubt all public education in the EU is equivalent, or tutoring is banned, or additional resources, etc.
- quonn 2y ago
  > I do see that the EU has missed the boat on every new industry in the 21st century compared to the USA. Perhaps. But for completely different reasons, certainly not regulation. And furthermore, while this _may_ hurt the EU in the long-run, they are still very good at the kind of industries that employ a large number of people across all skillsets. > We will see in 100 years if regulation was the right move or not. No need to wait, we can see this right now. The internet and app economy is completely enshittified. Only regulation can fix this, the market had 20 years and it only got worse.
- Ylpertnodi 2y ago
  >I am not an expert on anti trust, but I do see that the EU has missed the boat on every new industry in the 21st century compared to the USA. Are you able to cite any examples of 'missing the boat'?
  - Detrytus 2y ago
    Not the GP, but from the top of my head: - semiconductor manufacturing - Internet and social media, streaming services, etc. - Cryptocurrencies - Smartphones and related app stores - Electric cars - Self-driving cars - AI It certainly feels like all the technological innovation happens in the US, and sometimes in China, but never in Europe.
    - spiralpolitik 2y ago
      Some counter points: ARM originated at a European company (Acorn/Olivetti). Bluetooth originated at a European Company (Ericsson) Psion, Nokia, and Ericsson invented what would be considered the basics of the Smartphone (via Symbian, Series 60 etc) Spotify is a Swedish company. Nokia and Ericsson produce a good amount of the telecoms infrastructure equipment. While Europe certainly hasn't had a start-up culture on par with the US it hasn't been a complete slouch either.
      - Detrytus 2y ago
        Acorn was a British company, not European, and had significant help from Apple since 1980s. Nokia never really had any significant share of smartphone market once it took of. Nokia and Ericsson telecom infrastructure is inferior to Huawei's. I will give you Bluetooth and Spotify, but that's just a drop in a bucket.
        spiralpolitik 2y ago
        Olivetti (an Italian company) took over Acorn in 1985. This was around the time the ARM processor was being developed. Acorn was in danger of going under at this time when one of their creditors bounced. Apple didn't come along until much later.
        hifromwork 2y ago
        >Acorn was a British company, not European Last I've checked UK was firmly in Europe. I assume you meant something different, because literal interpretation makes no sense to me. Can you clarify?
        Detrytus 2y ago
        Sorry, I meant it more like UK is in many regards more similar to the US, than to the rest of Europe. I mean stuff like common law vs civil law, the way you start/grow your business, access to financing, etc.
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by quonn 2y ago

endisneigh 2y ago

You’re correct. I am not an expert on anti trust, but I do see that the EU has missed the boat on every new industry in the 21st century compared to the USA. We will see in 100 years if regulation was the right move or not. As for education - I doubt all public education in the EU is equivalent, or tutoring is banned, or additional resources, etc.

quonn 2y ago
> I do see that the EU has missed the boat on every new industry in the 21st century compared to the USA. Perhaps. But for completely different reasons, certainly not regulation. And furthermore, while this _may_ hurt the EU in the long-run, they are still very good at the kind of industries that employ a large number of people across all skillsets. > We will see in 100 years if regulation was the right move or not. No need to wait, we can see this right now. The internet and app economy is completely enshittified. Only regulation can fix this, the market had 20 years and it only got worse.
Ylpertnodi 2y ago
>I am not an expert on anti trust, but I do see that the EU has missed the boat on every new industry in the 21st century compared to the USA. Are you able to cite any examples of 'missing the boat'?
- Detrytus 2y ago
  Not the GP, but from the top of my head: - semiconductor manufacturing - Internet and social media, streaming services, etc. - Cryptocurrencies - Smartphones and related app stores - Electric cars - Self-driving cars - AI It certainly feels like all the technological innovation happens in the US, and sometimes in China, but never in Europe.
  - spiralpolitik 2y ago
    Some counter points: ARM originated at a European company (Acorn/Olivetti). Bluetooth originated at a European Company (Ericsson) Psion, Nokia, and Ericsson invented what would be considered the basics of the Smartphone (via Symbian, Series 60 etc) Spotify is a Swedish company. Nokia and Ericsson produce a good amount of the telecoms infrastructure equipment. While Europe certainly hasn't had a start-up culture on par with the US it hasn't been a complete slouch either.
    - Detrytus 2y ago
      Acorn was a British company, not European, and had significant help from Apple since 1980s. Nokia never really had any significant share of smartphone market once it took of. Nokia and Ericsson telecom infrastructure is inferior to Huawei's. I will give you Bluetooth and Spotify, but that's just a drop in a bucket.
      - spiralpolitik 2y ago
        Olivetti (an Italian company) took over Acorn in 1985. This was around the time the ARM processor was being developed. Acorn was in danger of going under at this time when one of their creditors bounced. Apple didn't come along until much later.
      - hifromwork 2y ago
        >Acorn was a British company, not European Last I've checked UK was firmly in Europe. I assume you meant something different, because literal interpretation makes no sense to me. Can you clarify?
        Detrytus 2y ago
        Sorry, I meant it more like UK is in many regards more similar to the US, than to the rest of Europe. I mean stuff like common law vs civil law, the way you start/grow your business, access to financing, etc.
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