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Private investigator sent to man's house for modifying legally purchased handbag [video]

53 points by bitcharmer 2y ago

jmyeet 2y ago
Summary: a many buys old Louis Vuitton bags, cuts them up and makes wallets (without any LV logos or representation that these are a LV product). He also makes videos about doing this. LV responds by sending out a private investigator and accusing the man of counterfeiting. The last half of the video is essentially marketing the creator's third-party Apple repair business.
- officeplant 2y ago
  >The last half of the video is essentially marketing the creator's third-party Apple repair business. Sorry just an aside. This is the funniest way to figure out its a Louis Rossman Video without checking the link first.
  - defrost 2y ago
    ^genus: Ficus, SecretBoss, or CompetitionSpy?
- newzisforsukas 2y ago
  I have been watching YouTube videos less since user hostile changes, and I think it is interesting to compare summary tools with human summaries. https://kagi.com/summarizer/index.html?target_language=&summary=summary&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DZI037QiGRQI https://kagi.com/summarizer/index.html?target_language=&summ... > The video discusses a case where a man modified used Louis Vuitton handbags to create his own wallets, removing the Louis Vuitton logo and adding his own. Louis Vuitton accused him of counterfeiting and sent a private investigator to his home to issue a cease and desist order, prohibiting him from even showing others how to do this online. The video argues that the man had the right to repurpose the handbags he legally purchased, and that companies like Louis Vuitton are overstepping by trying to control how people use their own property. It draws parallels to the right to repair movement, stating that a person's ownership rights supersede a company's brand image concerns. The video also criticizes major tech companies like Apple for their own poor repair practices that can damage their brand image.
  - aaron695 2y ago
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- happytoexplain 2y ago
  >The last half of the video is essentially marketing the creator's third-party Apple repair business. This made me smile. That's like watching a lock-picking lawyer video about his side project and saying "and then for some reason he picks a lock at the end of the video".
  - PaulHoule 2y ago
    Or a certain warvlogger who shares my first name. He puts his combat experience to use giving insight but it is so cringeworthy that he's always trying to hard sell some caffeinated gum. (Myself I think Singapore has it right about gum)
    - yreg 2y ago
      Give Sponsorblock a try :)
    - DEADMINCE 2y ago
      > Myself I think Singapore has it right about gum Singapore has it right about very little. Extravagant punishment for the sake of deterrence is not justice.
- yreg 2y ago
  First of all I absolutely believe that the crafter has (and should have) the right to do what he did. That being said, > without any LV logos or representation that these are a LV product the LV logo is right there in the center of the product. https://youtu.be/zDAg1aVnnH4?si=PjVRhwyMVl34akj2&t=646 https://youtu.be/zDAg1aVnnH4?si=PjVRhwyMVl34akj2&t=646
  - dylan604 2y ago
    Yeah, this was a confusing thing to me too, but apparently the logo making the pattern in the print is not the "logo" they are talking about. Yes, it is the logo printed on the leather, but LV products also have other markings using the logo that help identify it as an authentic LV product. There are other things like clasps, stitching, edge work, etc as well that identify authentic products. These are the things that have been removed as well as the stamped logo of this person's brand on it which quite clearly LV would never do. All of this is explained in the video linked elsewhere in this thread from the actual leather worker that the TFA video is glomming onto.
    - Manuel_D 2y ago
      It sure looks like it's the Louis Vuitton logo: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Louis_Vuitton_LV_logo.png https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Louis_Vuitton_LV_log... https://i.imgur.com/3vXfA1n.png https://i.imgur.com/3vXfA1n.png The LV logo is also displayed on clasps and whatnot, sure. But he's still selling a product that prominently displays the LV logo. His rationale seems to be that since repurposing fabric and leather is legal, it's also legal to build and sell products that clearly display the LV logo because it's printed on the repurposed fabric. I'm not sure whether this would actually hold up in court or not.
      - dylan604 2y ago
        You're still confusing on what they are considering the logo by being the stamp of the brand claiming who made it. If anyone were to look at it and see the other logo clearly stamped on it, it would be obvious it was not an LV bag. Knock-offs use fake fabric but try to hide it be using the logo to make it look like it was an official LV bag while selling as if it was an LV bag. None of that is what this person is actually doing. There is no intent on scamming someone. This person clearly says this is something they made.
- basil-rash 2y ago
  Awful summary. There is very clearly a LV logo right in the middle of the wallet. LV is famous for their leather being absolutely covered with their logo, it’d be rather difficult to make anything that didn’t show it. (Unless you really were just wanting to repurpose the leather and used acetone to dissolve the coating. But that would not get you that sweet sweet youtube ad revenue – not to mention the revenue he’s getting for these fake LV items, which he would not be able to match with just “plain leather wallet”) It’s really not a cut and dry case.
- christiangenco 2y ago
  The repurposed leather from the old LV bags has the LV logo on it.
neom 2y ago
This video by the dude it happened to is, imo, more interesting than Rossmann: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDAg1aVnnH4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDAg1aVnnH4
- Midnight1938 2y ago
  It has things happening, making it interesting. I dont get why people would sit and watch someone sit and talk
  - droopyEyelids 2y ago
    Louis Rossmann has a successful cult of personality. His brand is the pinnacle of “righteously angry IT guy who suffers injustice” and a lot of people vibe with it.
    - bitcharmer 2y ago
      Why am I getting the impression you're implying he's a villain here?
  - PaulHoule 2y ago
    Lots of people listen to the soundtrack of YouTube videos while they do something else.
    - beauzero 2y ago
      ...this. I have 10 hours a week in the car commuting and since there is a lot of podcast on video now I split my time in half. Half podcasts and half youtube. Sometimes I have to watch sections at home or work with code or equations but all in all it works very well. Probably not a new habit for others but the last two years I have been pulling in a lot of youtube "talks".
      - officeplant 2y ago
        I find youtube releases of D&D streaming sessions to be a good road trip background noise. It keeps me more engaged/awake than a podcast/audio book. It also helps that I'm super far behind on many D&D streamers so there are 50+ 3 hour long videos in my que sometimes for stories that stretch across multiple groups of players.
ordu 2y ago
I wonder Louis Vuitton really wants to stop the practice of repurposing their handbags, or they are doing it for a Streisand effect? Were that lawyers or sales managers who decided to go after the man?
- ActionHank 2y ago
  Most likely they see it as cheapening their brand. Seeing a luxury product being cut up for parts makes people see it as a sum of those parts and not a handcrafted luxury product.
- christiangenco 2y ago
  LV is financially interested in preventing anything that might cheapen the luxury LV brand. The existence of non-luxury wallets made of leather stamped with the LV logos seems to be perceived by LV as cheapening the LV brand.
  - DEADMINCE 2y ago
    That makes me want to get as much cheap LV stuff as I can and modify it and resell it.
droopyEyelids 2y ago
Can we start labeling [rossman] in the submission title
- OnionBlender 2y ago
  I've never heard of the guy and now I need to delete my youtube cookies to get rid of his worthless talking head videos in my suggestions. I encourage people to flag the OP post because it is just a retelling of a story that happened to someone else.
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nomilk 2y ago
Totally tangental (and paraphrased): > often I don't see negative qualities in myself until they are exhibited by another person, and it makes it easy for me to recognize that negative quality and never take part in it again Quite the self-awareness and wisdom! I've seen people change and become better because of this exact effect. Reminds of the quote: > A smart person learns from their mistakes; a wise person learns from the mistakes of others
keraf 2y ago
IANAL but using the LV logo and their recognizable pattern to sell your own wallet, especially given that they also sell wallets, is a pretty bad idea. I don't believe the issue here is the repurposing of the bag but rather the commercial use of it by creating a "competing" product. The author states in their video [0]: "Louis Vuitton went undercover to buy one of my repurposed wallets [...]". If it was done as a challenge for YouTube or a unique piece for your personal collection, LV probably wouldn't have bat an eye. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDAg1aVnnH4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDAg1aVnnH4
- bitcharmer 2y ago
  > using the LV logo and their recognizable pattern to sell your own wallet, especially given that they also sell wallets, is a pretty bad idea Have you even watched the video?
  - Manuel_D 2y ago
    The commenter linked to a specific timestamp in the video, so I'm not sure why you think that user didn't watch it. The logo is centered and clearly displayed wallet: https://imgur.com/a/K1wumKz https://imgur.com/a/K1wumKz He's adding his own logo, but he's absolutely displaying the Louis Vuitton logo in a prominent fashion.

53 points by bitcharmer 2y ago

Summary: a many buys old Louis Vuitton bags, cuts them up and makes wallets (without any LV logos or representation that these are a LV product). He also makes videos about doing this. LV responds by sending out a private investigator and accusing the man of counterfeiting. The last half of the video is essentially marketing the creator's third-party Apple repair business.

officeplant 2y ago
>The last half of the video is essentially marketing the creator's third-party Apple repair business. Sorry just an aside. This is the funniest way to figure out its a Louis Rossman Video without checking the link first.
- defrost 2y ago
  ^genus: Ficus, SecretBoss, or CompetitionSpy?
newzisforsukas 2y ago
I have been watching YouTube videos less since user hostile changes, and I think it is interesting to compare summary tools with human summaries. https://kagi.com/summarizer/index.html?target_language=&summary=summary&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DZI037QiGRQI https://kagi.com/summarizer/index.html?target_language=&summ... > The video discusses a case where a man modified used Louis Vuitton handbags to create his own wallets, removing the Louis Vuitton logo and adding his own. Louis Vuitton accused him of counterfeiting and sent a private investigator to his home to issue a cease and desist order, prohibiting him from even showing others how to do this online. The video argues that the man had the right to repurpose the handbags he legally purchased, and that companies like Louis Vuitton are overstepping by trying to control how people use their own property. It draws parallels to the right to repair movement, stating that a person's ownership rights supersede a company's brand image concerns. The video also criticizes major tech companies like Apple for their own poor repair practices that can damage their brand image.
- aaron695 2y ago
  [dead]
happytoexplain 2y ago
>The last half of the video is essentially marketing the creator's third-party Apple repair business. This made me smile. That's like watching a lock-picking lawyer video about his side project and saying "and then for some reason he picks a lock at the end of the video".
- PaulHoule 2y ago
  Or a certain warvlogger who shares my first name. He puts his combat experience to use giving insight but it is so cringeworthy that he's always trying to hard sell some caffeinated gum. (Myself I think Singapore has it right about gum)
  - yreg 2y ago
    Give Sponsorblock a try :)
  - DEADMINCE 2y ago
    > Myself I think Singapore has it right about gum Singapore has it right about very little. Extravagant punishment for the sake of deterrence is not justice.
yreg 2y ago
First of all I absolutely believe that the crafter has (and should have) the right to do what he did. That being said, > without any LV logos or representation that these are a LV product the LV logo is right there in the center of the product. https://youtu.be/zDAg1aVnnH4?si=PjVRhwyMVl34akj2&t=646 https://youtu.be/zDAg1aVnnH4?si=PjVRhwyMVl34akj2&t=646
- dylan604 2y ago
  Yeah, this was a confusing thing to me too, but apparently the logo making the pattern in the print is not the "logo" they are talking about. Yes, it is the logo printed on the leather, but LV products also have other markings using the logo that help identify it as an authentic LV product. There are other things like clasps, stitching, edge work, etc as well that identify authentic products. These are the things that have been removed as well as the stamped logo of this person's brand on it which quite clearly LV would never do. All of this is explained in the video linked elsewhere in this thread from the actual leather worker that the TFA video is glomming onto.
  - Manuel_D 2y ago
    It sure looks like it's the Louis Vuitton logo: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Louis_Vuitton_LV_logo.png https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Louis_Vuitton_LV_log... https://i.imgur.com/3vXfA1n.png https://i.imgur.com/3vXfA1n.png The LV logo is also displayed on clasps and whatnot, sure. But he's still selling a product that prominently displays the LV logo. His rationale seems to be that since repurposing fabric and leather is legal, it's also legal to build and sell products that clearly display the LV logo because it's printed on the repurposed fabric. I'm not sure whether this would actually hold up in court or not.
    - dylan604 2y ago
      You're still confusing on what they are considering the logo by being the stamp of the brand claiming who made it. If anyone were to look at it and see the other logo clearly stamped on it, it would be obvious it was not an LV bag. Knock-offs use fake fabric but try to hide it be using the logo to make it look like it was an official LV bag while selling as if it was an LV bag. None of that is what this person is actually doing. There is no intent on scamming someone. This person clearly says this is something they made.
basil-rash 2y ago
Awful summary. There is very clearly a LV logo right in the middle of the wallet. LV is famous for their leather being absolutely covered with their logo, it’d be rather difficult to make anything that didn’t show it. (Unless you really were just wanting to repurpose the leather and used acetone to dissolve the coating. But that would not get you that sweet sweet youtube ad revenue – not to mention the revenue he’s getting for these fake LV items, which he would not be able to match with just “plain leather wallet”) It’s really not a cut and dry case.
christiangenco 2y ago
The repurposed leather from the old LV bags has the LV logo on it.

neom 2y ago

This video by the dude it happened to is, imo, more interesting than Rossmann: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDAg1aVnnH4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDAg1aVnnH4

Midnight1938 2y ago
It has things happening, making it interesting. I dont get why people would sit and watch someone sit and talk
- droopyEyelids 2y ago
  Louis Rossmann has a successful cult of personality. His brand is the pinnacle of “righteously angry IT guy who suffers injustice” and a lot of people vibe with it.
  - bitcharmer 2y ago
    Why am I getting the impression you're implying he's a villain here?
- PaulHoule 2y ago
  Lots of people listen to the soundtrack of YouTube videos while they do something else.
  - beauzero 2y ago
    ...this. I have 10 hours a week in the car commuting and since there is a lot of podcast on video now I split my time in half. Half podcasts and half youtube. Sometimes I have to watch sections at home or work with code or equations but all in all it works very well. Probably not a new habit for others but the last two years I have been pulling in a lot of youtube "talks".
    - officeplant 2y ago
      I find youtube releases of D&D streaming sessions to be a good road trip background noise. It keeps me more engaged/awake than a podcast/audio book. It also helps that I'm super far behind on many D&D streamers so there are 50+ 3 hour long videos in my que sometimes for stories that stretch across multiple groups of players.

ordu 2y ago

I wonder Louis Vuitton really wants to stop the practice of repurposing their handbags, or they are doing it for a Streisand effect? Were that lawyers or sales managers who decided to go after the man?

ActionHank 2y ago
Most likely they see it as cheapening their brand. Seeing a luxury product being cut up for parts makes people see it as a sum of those parts and not a handcrafted luxury product.
christiangenco 2y ago
LV is financially interested in preventing anything that might cheapen the luxury LV brand. The existence of non-luxury wallets made of leather stamped with the LV logos seems to be perceived by LV as cheapening the LV brand.
- DEADMINCE 2y ago
  That makes me want to get as much cheap LV stuff as I can and modify it and resell it.

droopyEyelids 2y ago

Can we start labeling [rossman] in the submission title

OnionBlender 2y ago
I've never heard of the guy and now I need to delete my youtube cookies to get rid of his worthless talking head videos in my suggestions. I encourage people to flag the OP post because it is just a retelling of a story that happened to someone else.

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nomilk 2y ago

Totally tangental (and paraphrased): > often I don't see negative qualities in myself until they are exhibited by another person, and it makes it easy for me to recognize that negative quality and never take part in it again Quite the self-awareness and wisdom! I've seen people change and become better because of this exact effect. Reminds of the quote: > A smart person learns from their mistakes; a wise person learns from the mistakes of others

keraf 2y ago

IANAL but using the LV logo and their recognizable pattern to sell your own wallet, especially given that they also sell wallets, is a pretty bad idea. I don't believe the issue here is the repurposing of the bag but rather the commercial use of it by creating a "competing" product. The author states in their video [0]: "Louis Vuitton went undercover to buy one of my repurposed wallets [...]". If it was done as a challenge for YouTube or a unique piece for your personal collection, LV probably wouldn't have bat an eye. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDAg1aVnnH4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDAg1aVnnH4

bitcharmer 2y ago
> using the LV logo and their recognizable pattern to sell your own wallet, especially given that they also sell wallets, is a pretty bad idea Have you even watched the video?
- Manuel_D 2y ago
  The commenter linked to a specific timestamp in the video, so I'm not sure why you think that user didn't watch it. The logo is centered and clearly displayed wallet: https://imgur.com/a/K1wumKz https://imgur.com/a/K1wumKz He's adding his own logo, but he's absolutely displaying the Louis Vuitton logo in a prominent fashion.