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> Gaming is horrible on Mac In a couple of years I bet that has changed.

by cjk2 2y ago

Macha 2y ago
I don't think so. Apple is the one who really has the power to push that, and they haven't, preferring to let people port iOS games over to Mac OS. And while that is gaming, it's basically an entirely different market to the gaming we're discussing here and not a real substitute for it. While Candy Crush has a billion players, nobody is going "Oh, I can't play Cyberpunk, guess I'll just play Candy Crush". And for that traditional gaming market, Apple has thrown up roadblocks rather than assistance - their frequent tech migrations backs the back catalogue sales that help companies a lot, stuff like deprecating OpenGL for Metal means they need to write bespoke code for apple platforms when even the consoles are pretty onboard with standardisation these days.
- cjk2 2y ago
  I disagree. I have a bet they will kill the console market dead by 2029. Most of the games run on off the shelf tech now which has Metal back ends. The hardware is rapidly evolving in capability since 2020. The Pro devices now are quite powerful. Enough grunt to do a half decent job of being a console. When that is commoditised in the mid-range, the existing market looks rather attractive to game developers. There's also an existing marketplace (app store) and the end users, from those who I know are fucked off with Sony and Microsoft. Yeah you're not going to run top end games at 4k on them but most people don't do that either. And the market for optimising them towards the large market scope makes sense. Example of what is already on the market and in people's pockets. You can connect a controller and 4k display to it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRAOBEtQ_MY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRAOBEtQ_MY
  - Macha 2y ago
    The timing was too good on this when I saw it today, but: https://mobilegamer.biz/those-assassins-creed-resident-evil-and-death-stranding-ports-have-bombed/ https://mobilegamer.biz/those-assassins-creed-resident-evil-...
    - cjk2 2y ago
      Gah. Hopes dashed. I appreciate you pointing this out to me though.
- adamtaylor_13 2y ago
  Just this year at WWDC they announced a new tool that can port Unreal engine directly to Metal. It will only get better and better for gaming on MacOS.

> Gaming is horrible on Mac In a couple of years I bet that has changed.

by cjk2 2y ago

> Gaming is horrible on Mac In a couple of years I bet that has changed.

I don't think so. Apple is the one who really has the power to push that, and they haven't, preferring to let people port iOS games over to Mac OS. And while that is gaming, it's basically an entirely different market to the gaming we're discussing here and not a real substitute for it. While Candy Crush has a billion players, nobody is going "Oh, I can't play Cyberpunk, guess I'll just play Candy Crush". And for that traditional gaming market, Apple has thrown up roadblocks rather than assistance - their frequent tech migrations backs the back catalogue sales that help companies a lot, stuff like deprecating OpenGL for Metal means they need to write bespoke code for apple platforms when even the consoles are pretty onboard with standardisation these days.

cjk2 2y ago
I disagree. I have a bet they will kill the console market dead by 2029. Most of the games run on off the shelf tech now which has Metal back ends. The hardware is rapidly evolving in capability since 2020. The Pro devices now are quite powerful. Enough grunt to do a half decent job of being a console. When that is commoditised in the mid-range, the existing market looks rather attractive to game developers. There's also an existing marketplace (app store) and the end users, from those who I know are fucked off with Sony and Microsoft. Yeah you're not going to run top end games at 4k on them but most people don't do that either. And the market for optimising them towards the large market scope makes sense. Example of what is already on the market and in people's pockets. You can connect a controller and 4k display to it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRAOBEtQ_MY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRAOBEtQ_MY
- Macha 2y ago
  The timing was too good on this when I saw it today, but: https://mobilegamer.biz/those-assassins-creed-resident-evil-and-death-stranding-ports-have-bombed/ https://mobilegamer.biz/those-assassins-creed-resident-evil-...
  - cjk2 2y ago
    Gah. Hopes dashed. I appreciate you pointing this out to me though.
adamtaylor_13 2y ago
Just this year at WWDC they announced a new tool that can port Unreal engine directly to Metal. It will only get better and better for gaming on MacOS.