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>> How about adding a grid feature so that I can view multiple tabs in a grid, side-by-side instead of having to manually resize multiple windows everytime I ne

>> How about adding a grid feature so that I can view multiple tabs in a grid, side-by-side instead of having to manually resize multiple windows everytime I need to do this? I can't imagine I am the only one needing this. > This seems like the job of your WM/OS, not the browser. Exactly. This guy is saying "my windows manager sucks, why doesn't Mozilla do something about it"

noisy_boy 2y ago
> Exactly. This guy is saying "my windows manager sucks, why doesn't Mozilla do something about it" Not really - see response to sibling comment.
- throwaway41597 2y ago
  I'm not sure how what you describe is not what a tiling WM offers. Except for the "closing main window" thing but can't you just cancel closing with the history menu?
  - noisy_boy 2y ago
    Imagine an IDE that allows you to see multiple files in an X by Y grid - replace "files" with web pages. Is expecting that feature in a browser that far fetched? Or are we resigned to creating multiple windows + tiling WM as the one-true-solution for this usecase?
    - throwaway41597 2y ago
      You're not describing how a tiling WM fails to satisfy your needs. My guess is you're unhappy with toolbars being repeated in each tile, is that it? If so, I believe Suckless's striped-down browser is the closest, together with a tiling WM. If code editors are indicative, yes some power users tend to like a tiling window manager bundled in the app. So you may be right but I think it's out of scope for Firefox which targets the masses and it's definitely off-topic here.
      - noisy_boy 2y ago
        > You're not describing how a tiling WM fails to satisfy your needs. Yes I don't want repeated toolbars because they are waste of space when they are repeated in each window/pane - having to switch browsers isn't the point, the discussion is about what Firefox can do to improve its user's life (even if everyone doesn't expect/need split panes in their browser, some do). Because I don't want to manage 4 windows tiled like 4 panes - I want to manage a single window with 4 panes. What happens if I close one of 4? Now I have a gap that an related or unrelated window will fill or it'll be a wasted space - this doesn't happen in case of split panes because the other panes will expand to take the space. I logically group my work in separate windows - so in a split pane setup, once I'm done, I close a single window instead of closing the separate "pane-like" windows one by one.
- lkdfjlkdfjlg 2y ago
  > I am not talking about general tiling; just selective tiling for browser tabs. Right, so your windows manager doesn't support selective tiling, why doesn't Mozilla do something about it??!
  - noisy_boy 2y ago
    You seriously haven't seen a program that provides split panes? Never used an IDE that allows you to see multiple files at the same time in the same window, in a grid of panes, side by side?
    - lkdfjlkdfjlg 2y ago
      You're just distracting. My point is this is what a windows manager is for, and you're avoiding to address that. Like someone else said, "You're not describing how a tiling WM fails to satisfy your needs."
      - noisy_boy 2y ago
        > You're not describing how a tiling WM fails to satisfy your needs. Because I don't want to manage 4 windows tiled like 4 panes - I want to manage a single window with 4 panes. What happens if I close one of 4? Now I have a gap that an related or unrelated window will fill or it'll be a wasted space - this doesn't happen in case of split panes because the other panes will expand to take the space. I logically group my work in separate windows - so in a split pane setup, once I'm done, I close a single window instead of having to close separate windows one by one. If I have a 4x2 grid in your tiling-WM-is-the-truth world, you expect me to close 8 windows one by one? > You're just distracting. Sure, if you lack imagination, everything must be feeling like a distraction.
        lkdfjlkdfjlg 2y ago
        TLDR
  - aaomidi 2y ago
tapoxi 2y ago
But other browsers do this (Vivaldi, Arc has split view) and its great. If the OS does it you have awkward additional spacing between those tabs and additional browser chrome because the browser is unaware of the context you're in - comparing stuff side-by-side. I'd like an excuse to use Firefox again, but they've just given up on new UI functionality and I'd miss out on a lot by switching away from Arc.

noisy_boy 2y ago

> Exactly. This guy is saying "my windows manager sucks, why doesn't Mozilla do something about it" Not really - see response to sibling comment.

throwaway41597 2y ago
I'm not sure how what you describe is not what a tiling WM offers. Except for the "closing main window" thing but can't you just cancel closing with the history menu?
- noisy_boy 2y ago
  Imagine an IDE that allows you to see multiple files in an X by Y grid - replace "files" with web pages. Is expecting that feature in a browser that far fetched? Or are we resigned to creating multiple windows + tiling WM as the one-true-solution for this usecase?
  - throwaway41597 2y ago
    You're not describing how a tiling WM fails to satisfy your needs. My guess is you're unhappy with toolbars being repeated in each tile, is that it? If so, I believe Suckless's striped-down browser is the closest, together with a tiling WM. If code editors are indicative, yes some power users tend to like a tiling window manager bundled in the app. So you may be right but I think it's out of scope for Firefox which targets the masses and it's definitely off-topic here.
    - noisy_boy 2y ago
      > You're not describing how a tiling WM fails to satisfy your needs. Yes I don't want repeated toolbars because they are waste of space when they are repeated in each window/pane - having to switch browsers isn't the point, the discussion is about what Firefox can do to improve its user's life (even if everyone doesn't expect/need split panes in their browser, some do). Because I don't want to manage 4 windows tiled like 4 panes - I want to manage a single window with 4 panes. What happens if I close one of 4? Now I have a gap that an related or unrelated window will fill or it'll be a wasted space - this doesn't happen in case of split panes because the other panes will expand to take the space. I logically group my work in separate windows - so in a split pane setup, once I'm done, I close a single window instead of closing the separate "pane-like" windows one by one.
lkdfjlkdfjlg 2y ago
> I am not talking about general tiling; just selective tiling for browser tabs. Right, so your windows manager doesn't support selective tiling, why doesn't Mozilla do something about it??!
- noisy_boy 2y ago
  You seriously haven't seen a program that provides split panes? Never used an IDE that allows you to see multiple files at the same time in the same window, in a grid of panes, side by side?
  - lkdfjlkdfjlg 2y ago
    You're just distracting. My point is this is what a windows manager is for, and you're avoiding to address that. Like someone else said, "You're not describing how a tiling WM fails to satisfy your needs."
    - noisy_boy 2y ago
      > You're not describing how a tiling WM fails to satisfy your needs. Because I don't want to manage 4 windows tiled like 4 panes - I want to manage a single window with 4 panes. What happens if I close one of 4? Now I have a gap that an related or unrelated window will fill or it'll be a wasted space - this doesn't happen in case of split panes because the other panes will expand to take the space. I logically group my work in separate windows - so in a split pane setup, once I'm done, I close a single window instead of having to close separate windows one by one. If I have a 4x2 grid in your tiling-WM-is-the-truth world, you expect me to close 8 windows one by one? > You're just distracting. Sure, if you lack imagination, everything must be feeling like a distraction.
      - lkdfjlkdfjlg 2y ago
        TLDR
- aaomidi 2y ago

tapoxi 2y ago

But other browsers do this (Vivaldi, Arc has split view) and its great. If the OS does it you have awkward additional spacing between those tabs and additional browser chrome because the browser is unaware of the context you're in - comparing stuff side-by-side. I'd like an excuse to use Firefox again, but they've just given up on new UI functionality and I'd miss out on a lot by switching away from Arc.