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ICC judges issue arrest warrants against Shoigu and Gerasimov
- delichon 2y ago> Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and First Deputy Minister of Defence of the Russian Federation at the time of the alleged conduct So why not Putin? The evidence seems to be about the same for him.
- jncfhnb 2y agoBecause they already did
- squidbeak 2y agoThe ICC issued an arrest warrant for Putin last year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Court_arrest_warrants_for_Vladimir_Putin_and_Maria_Lvova-Belova https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Court_a...
- Dolores12 2y ago[flagged]
- squidbeak 2y agoThe enforceability worried Putin enough to cancel a trip to South Africa last year, despite its good relations with Russia. https://www.politico.eu/article/vladimir-putin-to-dodge-summit-in-south-africa-over-arrest-warrant/ https://www.politico.eu/article/vladimir-putin-to-dodge-summ...
- 082349872349872 2y agoБут had thought Thailand wouldn't enforce US warrants but was unpleasantly surprised.
- mndgs 2y agoJust wait. There are 1000x if not x1B ants in the world than bears, ants rule the world in this context. It's just a matter of time until any bear succumbs to ants' rules. And for the record, Putin is no bear, he's a yet another street coward who can only bully the weaker ones. If ICC means shit and he's such a bear, why doesn't he travel to any country which adheres to ICC rulling? A coward murderer and he knows it, that's why.
- arlort 2y ago> don't icc-cpi.int has anything better to do? As a matter of fact no, it really does not. This is quite exactly the reason it was set up in the first place If your court system set up exclusively to investigate egregious cases of war crimes has something better to do than issuing arrest warrants against the perpetrators of particularly egregious war crimes then it probably has some skewed priorities
- Dolores12 2y ago[flagged]
- arlort 2y agoSo your idea is that the ICC should not waste its time issuing arrest warrants in cases which have been extensively documented over the course of years because yesterday a beach was bombed? That seems a bit backwards, but in any case I'm sure if russia wants they can request the ICC to investigate the attack
- Dolores12 2y ago[flagged]
- firesteelrain 2y agoAny proof that ATACMS caused it or errant Russian missle fragments?
- jncfhnb 2y agoAgreed. Russia encouraging tourism into a war zone and not using air sirens to alert civilians should be punished.
- candiodari 2y ago[dead]
- jowea 2y agoIt's interesting to note this is specifically about ordering attacks on power plants, deciding that such attacks are unjustified attacks on civilian infrastructure. The Putin arrest warrant came earlier because it was related to something Russia was doing even more openly and very obviously against international law, the unlawful transfer of Ukrainian children to Russian families.
- impossiblefork 2y agoThis is really very new and incredibly interesting. I've always believed that attacks on infrastructure were permitted almost always, and this flips that completely.
- thereddaikon 2y agoIt's complicated. Dual use infrastructure can become valid military targets. It's also easier to make claim military justification for a limited strike meant to aide a specific operation. But repeated strikes broadly on civilian infrastructure is terror bombing and pretty indefensible.
- mschuster91 2y agoIt was illegal before as well, it's just nobody really cared about Serbia, Afghanistan or Iraq (or any of the myriad of other warzones such as Libya). At least in the case of Serbia though, an argument can be made that the NATO bombings back then were to stop a war of aggression in the first place.
- jowea 2y agoThere's actually an ICC investigation into Afghanistan, not sure what they're looking into but I don't remember bombing of civilian infrastructure being a big part of that war? As for Iraq, seems like there really were attacks on power distribution (not generation) that don't seem to be all that remembered. But it's still significantly different from what is happening in Ukraine. https://casebook.icrc.org/case-study/united-statesunited-kingdom-conduct-2003-war-iraq https://casebook.icrc.org/case-study/united-statesunited-kin... https://www.hrw.org/reports/2003/usa1203/4.5.htm https://www.hrw.org/reports/2003/usa1203/4.5.htm As for Yugoslavia, it doesn't seem like "nobody cared", but it does feel like Western pressure led to some things not being prosecuted. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legitimacy_of_the_NATO_bombing_of_Yugoslavia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legitimacy_of_the_NATO_bombing... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_International_Commission_on_Kosovo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_International_Comm... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Tribunal_for_the_former_Yugoslavia#Controversies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Tribuna... edit: other poster linked to the ICTY investigation and it seems the bombings were of power distribution linked to military objectives: https://www.icty.org/en/press/final-report-prosecutor-committee-established-review-nato-bombing-campaign-against-federal https://www.icty.org/en/press/final-report-prosecutor-commit...
- oldpersonintx 2y ago[dead]
- morkalork 2y agoHasn't Gerasimov been on the outs with the regime in Russia since the Wagner debacle (which was exactly a year ago)?
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