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No one said Clinton is democracy that title goes to the dear leader Kim Jong-un. That however does not mean you are the good guy for playing into the hands of
by 0dayz 2y ago
No one said Clinton is democracy that title goes to the dear leader Kim Jong-un.
That however does not mean you are the good guy for playing into the hands of an adversary that wanted to rig a democratic election.
- gklitz 2y agoIs people knowing more truthful facts to you considered “rigging an election”?
- 0dayz 2y agoNo? Please point out where I said this. But then if we care about truthful facts then why didn't Assange release rnc documents?
- chrisco255 2y agoWikileaks only leaked what they got handed to them. In the DNC case, it seems that the leaker was motivated by Clinton railroading Bernie in the primary. Meanwhile on the Republican ticket, the populist, Trump, was able to sweep aside the established Bush dynasty and other party insider favorites.
- the_why_of_y 2y agoSVR/Cozy Bear were fans of Bernie? https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/01/dutch-intelligence-hacked-video-cameras-in-office-of-russians-who-hacked-dnc/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/01/dutch...
- willcipriano 2y agoWas that the same hacker team that created the fake laptop that is actually real and not from a hacker team?
- chrisco255 2y agoThis article refers to something occurring in 2014 with State Department email credentials and somehow loosely connecting that with the 2016 DNC email leak. Besides showing that email is not really that secure in the first place (and evidenced by Ms. Clinton's own maintenance of a personal email server), it doesn't show any evidence that Cozy Bear was behind the DNC leak. Assange himself seemed to implicate Seth Rich, a DNC staffer who was shot twice in the back in a mysterious murder in July of 2016: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/will-julian-assange-and-wikileaks-finally-tell-the-truth-about-seth-rich-918946/ https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/will-jul...
- the_why_of_y 2y ago> This article refers to something occurring in 2014 with State Department email credentials and somehow loosely connecting that with the 2016 DNC email leak. Thanks, that's a good point, I was motivated to read a bit more about it; the article I linked is indeed a bit vague. The source for it is a de Volkskrant article, I found it in an archive: https://archive.is/S5KeI https://archive.is/S5KeI This has more detail and contains the claim that the Dutch did observe Cozy Bear breaking into the DNC network. However, elsewhere we can read that the emails were leaked to WikiLeaks not via Cozy Bear but via Fancy Bear, which is part of GRU; see the Mueller report Volume I, Ill. RUSSIAN HACKING AND DUMPING OPERATIONS, A. and B. page 44-56 in the PDF. Both the SVR and the GRU infiltrated the DNC network: "Cozy Bear" had access to DNC systems since the summer of 2015; and "Fancy Bear", since April 2016. There was no evidence of collaboration or knowledge of the other's presence within the system. Rather, the "two Russian espionage groups compromised the same systems and engaged separately in the theft of identical credentials". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_National_Committee_cyber_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_National_Committee_... From what I've read that's a common way of authoritarian state organization: to prevent any security service from becoming too powerful and thereby becoming a threat to the dictator, there are multiple services with overlapping responsibilities and they compete with each other. > Assange himself seemed to implicate Seth Rich... Apparently Aaron Rich's defamation lawsuit got some results: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/seth-rich-wikileaks-conspiracy-theories-fox-news-1114700/ https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/seth-ric... It's worth noting that leaked messages (the irony) show Assange was knowingly misleading the public about Seth Rich: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/kevincollier/assange-seth-rich-lies-guccifer-wikileaks-hannity https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/kevincollier/assange-se...
- chrisco255 2y agoDamning evidence is not rigging.
- 0dayz 2y agoDamning evidence is not a conclusion especially when said evidence is inconclusive. And then I have to ask yet again, why did not Wikileaks release the RNC leaks?
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- chrisco255 2y agoConclusions are for citizens to make once they see the evidence, regardless of whether it harms the chances of powerful people maintaining their grip on power. I've already covered it in a different thread. It's most likely that the DNC leaks were from an internal source. Assange implied Seth Rich. The emails that were leaked were largely about the DNC railroading Bernie to favor Hillary during the primary. That's not some state-level propaganda. That's how party politics work. A disgruntled Trump supporter would have little reason to leak RNC emails, since it was publicly known how much they hated him and since Trump won in spite of the RNC's antagonism. Honestly though it doesn't matter who leaked it. It was standard faire political controversy. It was a much bigger deal that Clinton herself maintained a private server to conduct state department affairs. Hard for her to spin that one on the Russians though.
- 0dayz 2y agoI rather have courts look over it and have a fair and honest conclusion rather than everyone doing their 'conclusion'. And according to the intelligence report it was Russia who indirectly hacked the DNC (via guccifer) so I don't know where this "internal source" comes from, would love to see a report that shows otherwise. The irony is that Wikileaks allegedly did have RNC leaks, but Assange choose not to publish it.