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> "it's totally ok to change everything about yourself to win the affection of a boy you literally just met" Meanwhile I always taught that the underlying mess

> "it's totally ok to change everything about yourself to win the affection of a boy you literally just met" Meanwhile I always taught that the underlying message of The Lion King to be insane and it seems like I'm the only one: - don't do what you want but what society/religion tells you to do (Simba is happy with Timon and Pumba, but then they send other animals including the monkey shaman to tell him he has to fight his uncle) - your destiny is decided at birth - there are tier all tiers of living creatures (eating a pig => bad, eating insects => okay cause they don't talk) and genetics decide it I'm not against cancelling it by the way, I just find the message of the film...insane.

savingsPossible 2y ago
Not to mention quite a bit of divine right of kings... The land literally heals when 'the rightful king' is back in power
- joshuahedlund 2y ago
  The story's pretty clearly borrowed from both Hamlet and Moses, so I bet that's where that sort of thing slipped in.
joshuahedlund 2y ago
> - don't do what you want but what society/religion tells you to do (Simba is happy with Timon and Pumba, but then they send other animals including the monkey shaman to tell him he has to fight his uncle) Interesting interpretation. I always saw it as being more about justice (i.e. don't live a blissfully ignorant life while your own kin are suffering when you can do something about it) Although maybe that's actually what you're saying too - the message is "don't do what you want" - but we disagree about whether that's insane or correct :)
- LanceH 2y ago
  putting the hyenas in their place is justice being in charge because you were born to be is justice yea, being about justice doesn't improve it
dyauspitr 2y ago
> don't do what you want but what society/religion tells you to do As an aside, this is pretty much what the entire Bhagvat Gita is roughly about.
cess11 2y ago
I think that interpretation is quite robust. There's also this: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/lion-king-kimba-white-lion-does-disney-need-come-clean-1225822/ https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/lion-kin...
LanceH 2y ago
I've been saying this exact same thing since it came out. Add in the fact that it was heavily marketed as including black representation -- then having those messages just makes it worse.
hot_gril 2y ago
I took Lion King to mean not to take your family for granted, and I'm fine with it. The other Disney prince/princess movies don't really have messages other than "you can have your cake and eat it too." Like, whenever it's supposed to be about beauty being on the inside, the couple that ends up together is good-looking on the outside anyway. The writers for Shrek must've noticed this and done things differently.

savingsPossible 2y ago

Not to mention quite a bit of divine right of kings... The land literally heals when 'the rightful king' is back in power

joshuahedlund 2y ago
The story's pretty clearly borrowed from both Hamlet and Moses, so I bet that's where that sort of thing slipped in.

joshuahedlund 2y ago

> - don't do what you want but what society/religion tells you to do (Simba is happy with Timon and Pumba, but then they send other animals including the monkey shaman to tell him he has to fight his uncle) Interesting interpretation. I always saw it as being more about justice (i.e. don't live a blissfully ignorant life while your own kin are suffering when you can do something about it) Although maybe that's actually what you're saying too - the message is "don't do what you want" - but we disagree about whether that's insane or correct :)

LanceH 2y ago
putting the hyenas in their place is justice being in charge because you were born to be is justice yea, being about justice doesn't improve it

dyauspitr 2y ago

> don't do what you want but what society/religion tells you to do As an aside, this is pretty much what the entire Bhagvat Gita is roughly about.

cess11 2y ago

I think that interpretation is quite robust. There's also this: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/lion-king-kimba-white-lion-does-disney-need-come-clean-1225822/ https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/lion-kin...

LanceH 2y ago

I've been saying this exact same thing since it came out. Add in the fact that it was heavily marketed as including black representation -- then having those messages just makes it worse.

hot_gril 2y ago

I took Lion King to mean not to take your family for granted, and I'm fine with it. The other Disney prince/princess movies don't really have messages other than "you can have your cake and eat it too." Like, whenever it's supposed to be about beauty being on the inside, the couple that ends up together is good-looking on the outside anyway. The writers for Shrek must've noticed this and done things differently.