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Not anywhere, Snowden managed to evade them.

by dom96 2y ago

jangxx 2y ago
I haven't heard anything about him in a while, I assume he's still living in exile in Russia? In which case, yes, he might have evaded the US, but he still gave up a lot of his freedom in return.
dns_snek 2y ago
Physically, yes. But his life was unlawfully destroyed and his choices are narrowed down to an ideologically hostile territory that'll keep him alive, and a hostile territory that will torture him to death if he ever leaves the former.
jonathanstrange 2y ago
At a high price, though. Contrary to how this is sometimes portrayed to discredit it him, Snowden never intended to end up in Russia, and now he's forced to collaborate with a regime he undoubtedly despises. And he can never leave again.
- pydry 2y ago
  Dissidents always get mud slung at them. The only really surprising thing is that the people who receptive to the mudslinging are oblivious to how they are being manipulated. It's the same with an average dim Russian's opinion on Navalny as it is with an average dim American's opinion on Snowden and Assange.
- netsharc 2y ago
  And he's ended up being a pawn, a pawn currently not being used, but I can't imagine it's relaxing to live in a country where any moment the security services can take him and say "Mr. Putin has decided to extradite you to the US in exchange for...". Well not "extradition" in the traditional sense, since Snowden is now a Russian citizen and they don't have an extradition treaty, but hey in a lawless place, anything is possible, they can just ship him to a US-friendly country who will then deliver him the rest of the way. I wonder if he's got a hiding strategy figured out, with wife and kid(s). Russia's a big place after all.
  - krisoft 2y ago
    > say "Mr. Putin has decided to extradite you to the US in exchange for...". Or worse. Not say anything other than "get in the car now". It is not like dictators need to explain themselves.
- twoodfin 2y ago
  Nobody is ever “forced to collaborate”: Collaboration as a concept isn’t coherent if it’s ultimately involuntary.

Not anywhere, Snowden managed to evade them.

by dom96 2y ago

Not anywhere, Snowden managed to evade them.

I haven't heard anything about him in a while, I assume he's still living in exile in Russia? In which case, yes, he might have evaded the US, but he still gave up a lot of his freedom in return.

dns_snek 2y ago

Physically, yes. But his life was unlawfully destroyed and his choices are narrowed down to an ideologically hostile territory that'll keep him alive, and a hostile territory that will torture him to death if he ever leaves the former.

jonathanstrange 2y ago

At a high price, though. Contrary to how this is sometimes portrayed to discredit it him, Snowden never intended to end up in Russia, and now he's forced to collaborate with a regime he undoubtedly despises. And he can never leave again.

pydry 2y ago
Dissidents always get mud slung at them. The only really surprising thing is that the people who receptive to the mudslinging are oblivious to how they are being manipulated. It's the same with an average dim Russian's opinion on Navalny as it is with an average dim American's opinion on Snowden and Assange.
netsharc 2y ago
And he's ended up being a pawn, a pawn currently not being used, but I can't imagine it's relaxing to live in a country where any moment the security services can take him and say "Mr. Putin has decided to extradite you to the US in exchange for...". Well not "extradition" in the traditional sense, since Snowden is now a Russian citizen and they don't have an extradition treaty, but hey in a lawless place, anything is possible, they can just ship him to a US-friendly country who will then deliver him the rest of the way. I wonder if he's got a hiding strategy figured out, with wife and kid(s). Russia's a big place after all.
- krisoft 2y ago
  > say "Mr. Putin has decided to extradite you to the US in exchange for...". Or worse. Not say anything other than "get in the car now". It is not like dictators need to explain themselves.
twoodfin 2y ago
Nobody is ever “forced to collaborate”: Collaboration as a concept isn’t coherent if it’s ultimately involuntary.