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My view of him changed when I saw a recording of him in a documentary saying that murdered Iraqi translators who worked with the US military got what they deser

by pipes 2y ago

My view of him changed when I saw a recording of him in a documentary saying that murdered Iraqi translators who worked with the US military got what they deserved for working with the enemy.

mandmandam 2y ago
Considering what America did to Iraq, I think that's an understandable viewpoint. However, Assange has always displayed a great respect for human life, and so, this doesn't sound like him at all. I can't find any clip of this, nor anyone discussing this, and have never heard of it before your claim. Care to bring receipts? Edit: Looking more into it, I found the source - people said that Declan Walsh said that he heard Assange say this at a dinner party. You really ought to be a little more discriminating when using a single quote to try and completely dismiss someone.
- varjag 2y ago
  What makes you think he values human life? He sent his buddy with the cables to my home country to share with KGB prior to the public release. I hope the rest of his life is equally miserable now that he is a free person.
  - pipes 2y ago
    KGB? Please can you expand on this, I'm genuinely interested (see my comment above).
    - varjag 2y ago
      Here's a summary: https://www.indexoncensorship.org/2011/02/wikileaks-belarus-and-israel-shamir/ https://www.indexoncensorship.org/2011/02/wikileaks-belarus-... It was reported in several major publications as well at the time.
      - mandmandam 2y ago
        From your link: > Wikileaks response: > A representative of Wikileaks responded, ‘We have no further reports on this “rumour/issue”. Another Wikileaks representative told Index “obviously it is not approved”. Following back the Guardian story linked in the above, there's this: > Assange subsequently maintained he had only a "brief interaction" with Shamir: "WikiLeaks works with hundreds of journalists from different regions of the world. All are required to sign non-disclosure agreements and are generally only given limited review access to material relating to their region." As far as I can tell, it looks like Wikileaks paid Shamir ~$2,000 for reviewing a batch of documents, but he maybe broke his NDA and tried to sell the docs (even the evidence for this, as far as I can see, is purely circumstantial). It's all a far, far cry from "Assange gave cables to KGB". Small wonder this isn't even in the top 3 attempts to smear Assange as 'linked' to Russian agents (all of which have never had a shred of direct evidence btw).
        varjag 2y ago
        It was in Belarusian govt news at the time where they openly bragged about getting the cables. Really really doubt they wanted to frame Assange for anything as just as Russians they are entirely sympathetic bunch. Notice also how I never said "Assange gave cables to KGB" but that his buddy did. Are you going to bicker over whom Shamir got the cables from?
        mint2 2y ago
        One of the things about the whole asssange wikileaks affaire that always bothered me is how many people would pick a sides and then consider anything the opposing side to claim to be suspect and likely false, while taking everything “their” side said at face value without inspection. It was nonstop extreme confirmation bias on display. Of course wikileaks/assange aren’t going to admit to doing something terrible. Whether or not it’s true, they’re going to give the same answer! I haven’t looked into that Belarusian thing, so I don’t know what evidence there is but it doesn’t make sense to take Wikileaks at face value - it’s obvious confirmation bias. Even if one doesn’t want to accept that it’s confirmation bias, one should be aware that it comes off as it to everyone else. The whole wikileaks thing was so annoying because it was 95% of the time of two different choirs preaching opposite sermons based only on faith not objective facts.
- pipes 2y ago
  Looks like someone did my homework for me, see the comments above.
tim333 2y ago
Yeah Afghans too "Well, they're informants," Assange replied. "So, if they get killed, they've got it coming to them. They deserve it." https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/sep/18/julian-assange-wikileaks-nick-cohen https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/sep/18/julian... I'm ambivalent about his jailing. If you are going to get heroic people killed then you can't cry too much if you get jailed a bit.
- kome 2y ago
  Well, his words were unfortunate, but considering how the Americans left Afghanistan in total chaos a few years ago is even more unfortunate, to put it mildly. They threw most of their allies and collaborators under the bus. The American government has NO moral superiority. And they just need to shut up.
  - thesis 2y ago
    It's a weird vibe going on in this post. A lot of people are cheering the withdrawal from Afghanistan. I wonder how many know that the Taliban has all biometric/financial data that the US left behind enabling them to round up anyone who ever helped the US.
    - dieortin 2y ago
      Do you have a source for that? It seems pretty hard to believe
  - Lord-Jobo 2y ago
    "his words were unfortunate" Many you really couldn't possibly sanitize the situation any more. He said an absolutely heinous thing out loud that reflects values I definitely don't want from someone running a "neutral" dissemination platform for secrets
  - sabarn01 2y ago
    The US government responded to popular will and left Afghanistan. We abandoned far too many, in an incompetent withdrawal.
nova22033 2y ago
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/sep/18/julian-assange-wikileaks-nick-cohen https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/sep/18/julian... David Leigh and Luke Harding's history of WikiLeaks describes how journalists took Assange to Moro's, a classy Spanish restaurant in central London. A reporter worried that Assange would risk killing Afghans who had co-operated with American forces if he put US secrets online without taking the basic precaution of removing their names. "Well, they're informants," Assange replied. "So, if they get killed, they've got it coming to them. They deserve it." A silence fell on the table as the reporters realised that the man the gullible hailed as the pioneer of a new age of transparency was willing to hand death lists to psychopaths. They persuaded Assange to remove names before publishing the State Department Afghanistan cables. But Assange's disillusioned associates suggest that the failure to expose "informants" niggled in his mind.
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oska 2y ago
There is no such recording.
- CalChris 2y ago
  "Well, they're informants," Assange replied. "So, if they get killed, they've got it coming to them. They deserve it." https://archive.is/rSL9K https://archive.is/rSL9K
  - alach11 2y ago
    This is a quote, not a recording. Assange disputes the accuracy of the quote.
  - handity 2y ago
    That's not a recording. I'm willing to accept he said something similar but the linked article appears to be a hitpiece with quite a lot of motivation to stretch the truth.

by pipes 2y ago

My view of him changed when I saw a recording of him in a documentary saying that murdered Iraqi translators who worked with the US military got what they deserved for working with the enemy.

mandmandam 2y ago

Considering what America did to Iraq, I think that's an understandable viewpoint. However, Assange has always displayed a great respect for human life, and so, this doesn't sound like him at all. I can't find any clip of this, nor anyone discussing this, and have never heard of it before your claim. Care to bring receipts? Edit: Looking more into it, I found the source - people said that Declan Walsh said that he heard Assange say this at a dinner party. You really ought to be a little more discriminating when using a single quote to try and completely dismiss someone.

varjag 2y ago
What makes you think he values human life? He sent his buddy with the cables to my home country to share with KGB prior to the public release. I hope the rest of his life is equally miserable now that he is a free person.
- pipes 2y ago
  KGB? Please can you expand on this, I'm genuinely interested (see my comment above).
  - varjag 2y ago
    Here's a summary: https://www.indexoncensorship.org/2011/02/wikileaks-belarus-and-israel-shamir/ https://www.indexoncensorship.org/2011/02/wikileaks-belarus-... It was reported in several major publications as well at the time.
    - mandmandam 2y ago
      From your link: > Wikileaks response: > A representative of Wikileaks responded, ‘We have no further reports on this “rumour/issue”. Another Wikileaks representative told Index “obviously it is not approved”. Following back the Guardian story linked in the above, there's this: > Assange subsequently maintained he had only a "brief interaction" with Shamir: "WikiLeaks works with hundreds of journalists from different regions of the world. All are required to sign non-disclosure agreements and are generally only given limited review access to material relating to their region." As far as I can tell, it looks like Wikileaks paid Shamir ~$2,000 for reviewing a batch of documents, but he maybe broke his NDA and tried to sell the docs (even the evidence for this, as far as I can see, is purely circumstantial). It's all a far, far cry from "Assange gave cables to KGB". Small wonder this isn't even in the top 3 attempts to smear Assange as 'linked' to Russian agents (all of which have never had a shred of direct evidence btw).
      - varjag 2y ago
        It was in Belarusian govt news at the time where they openly bragged about getting the cables. Really really doubt they wanted to frame Assange for anything as just as Russians they are entirely sympathetic bunch. Notice also how I never said "Assange gave cables to KGB" but that his buddy did. Are you going to bicker over whom Shamir got the cables from?
      - mint2 2y ago
        One of the things about the whole asssange wikileaks affaire that always bothered me is how many people would pick a sides and then consider anything the opposing side to claim to be suspect and likely false, while taking everything “their” side said at face value without inspection. It was nonstop extreme confirmation bias on display. Of course wikileaks/assange aren’t going to admit to doing something terrible. Whether or not it’s true, they’re going to give the same answer! I haven’t looked into that Belarusian thing, so I don’t know what evidence there is but it doesn’t make sense to take Wikileaks at face value - it’s obvious confirmation bias. Even if one doesn’t want to accept that it’s confirmation bias, one should be aware that it comes off as it to everyone else. The whole wikileaks thing was so annoying because it was 95% of the time of two different choirs preaching opposite sermons based only on faith not objective facts.
pipes 2y ago
Looks like someone did my homework for me, see the comments above.

tim333 2y ago

Yeah Afghans too "Well, they're informants," Assange replied. "So, if they get killed, they've got it coming to them. They deserve it." https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/sep/18/julian-assange-wikileaks-nick-cohen https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/sep/18/julian... I'm ambivalent about his jailing. If you are going to get heroic people killed then you can't cry too much if you get jailed a bit.

kome 2y ago
Well, his words were unfortunate, but considering how the Americans left Afghanistan in total chaos a few years ago is even more unfortunate, to put it mildly. They threw most of their allies and collaborators under the bus. The American government has NO moral superiority. And they just need to shut up.
- thesis 2y ago
  It's a weird vibe going on in this post. A lot of people are cheering the withdrawal from Afghanistan. I wonder how many know that the Taliban has all biometric/financial data that the US left behind enabling them to round up anyone who ever helped the US.
  - dieortin 2y ago
    Do you have a source for that? It seems pretty hard to believe
- Lord-Jobo 2y ago
  "his words were unfortunate" Many you really couldn't possibly sanitize the situation any more. He said an absolutely heinous thing out loud that reflects values I definitely don't want from someone running a "neutral" dissemination platform for secrets
- sabarn01 2y ago
  The US government responded to popular will and left Afghanistan. We abandoned far too many, in an incompetent withdrawal.

nova22033 2y ago

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/sep/18/julian-assange-wikileaks-nick-cohen https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/sep/18/julian... David Leigh and Luke Harding's history of WikiLeaks describes how journalists took Assange to Moro's, a classy Spanish restaurant in central London. A reporter worried that Assange would risk killing Afghans who had co-operated with American forces if he put US secrets online without taking the basic precaution of removing their names. "Well, they're informants," Assange replied. "So, if they get killed, they've got it coming to them. They deserve it." A silence fell on the table as the reporters realised that the man the gullible hailed as the pioneer of a new age of transparency was willing to hand death lists to psychopaths. They persuaded Assange to remove names before publishing the State Department Afghanistan cables. But Assange's disillusioned associates suggest that the failure to expose "informants" niggled in his mind.

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oska 2y ago

There is no such recording.

CalChris 2y ago
"Well, they're informants," Assange replied. "So, if they get killed, they've got it coming to them. They deserve it." https://archive.is/rSL9K https://archive.is/rSL9K
- alach11 2y ago
  This is a quote, not a recording. Assange disputes the accuracy of the quote.
- handity 2y ago
  That's not a recording. I'm willing to accept he said something similar but the linked article appears to be a hitpiece with quite a lot of motivation to stretch the truth.