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> Mr Joyce, a former deputy prime minister, was part of a group of politicians across the political spectrum who had long campaigned for Mr Assange's release an

> Mr Joyce, a former deputy prime minister, was part of a group of politicians across the political spectrum who had long campaigned for Mr Assange's release and visited the US to lobby legislators there on the matter. > "There were so many people who were part of this process, and what it showed was people from both sides of politics, for different reasons, arrived at the same place," Mr Joyce said on Tuesday morning. > "I don't agree with what he did, and I won't, but it wasn't illegal," Mr Joyce said. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-25/great-encouragement-julian-assange-on-plane-joyce/104018352 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-25/great-encouragement-j...

madaxe_again 2y ago
Fascinating. Here’s an equivalent snippet from the BBC, who are doing a good job of making it look like Stella is his only supporter: > Former Australian foreign minister Alexander Downer says "most people" in Australia do not see Assange as a journalist. > “We can now… say he was guilty of a very serious offence," he tells the BBC Radio 4 Today programme. > “Most people in Australia would agree it’s not appropriate to steal national security information and publish it - governments have to have some degree of privacy in their communications." > He adds: “I don’t think many Australians have sympathy for him. Just because he’s Australian doesn’t mean he’s a good bloke.”
- gearhart 2y ago
  The BBC has a laudable goal of trying to be "balanced" which unfortunately is often poorly implemented as giving equal credence to both sides of an argument, even when doing so paints a wildly innaccurate picture. If you look at the totality of the BBC's coverage, it's clear that the general consensus is that he did a good thing for humanity that hurt some powerful people, and he's been unjustly punished for it, but that there is a small cohort of people (including some very vocal, powerful ones who get headlines) who disagree with that opinion and think that he did something negative and was justly punished for it. The trouble is that when you summarise that argument, you lose the "general consensus" and "small cohort" bits and you just get the two points, which together make a rather different story.
- fphhotchips 2y ago
  > Former Australian foreign minister Alexander Downer says "most people" in Australia do not see Assange as a journalist. The Downer family have recent history in misjudging what "most people" in significant chunks of the Australian public think. Chunks, for example, like the electorate they're trying to be members of parliament in.
- InDubioProRubio 2y ago
  Well, i guess the same "most people".Where(p => p.money > 1billion) .. dont like friendly jordies and were part of a crooked clan the day there ancestors got shipped in. So Assange is in good company..
- sharken 2y ago
  He sounds like a Downer with those statements. I guess it is to be expected from a person whose power is threatened by people like Assange. At least the PM seems like a more sensible person.
- smsm42 2y ago
  > do not see Assange as a journalist. Sure, a "journalist" is somebody who works for a mega-corporation, preferably owned by a billionaire with political ambitions, and reports whatever the party that controls his outlet considers to be fit to print at the moment. > he was guilty of a very serious offence When somebody is caught on camera robbing or stabbing, the "journalists" always insist he is "allegedly" guilty until the court decision is made. These rules, however, do not apply to people who publish dirt on politicians. > would agree it’s not appropriate to steal national security information and publish it "Journalists" have done it many times though. And got prestigious awards for it. Of course, the situation is different here - his wasn't approved for anybody powerful and didn't benefit any billionaire with political ambitions, so no awards for him.
intothemild 2y ago
> "I don't agree with what he did, and I won't, but it wasn't illegal," Mr Joyce said. One of the rare moment's I agree with Barnaby Joyce.
- LilBytes 2y ago
  Surprising for me also.

madaxe_again 2y ago

Fascinating. Here’s an equivalent snippet from the BBC, who are doing a good job of making it look like Stella is his only supporter: > Former Australian foreign minister Alexander Downer says "most people" in Australia do not see Assange as a journalist. > “We can now… say he was guilty of a very serious offence," he tells the BBC Radio 4 Today programme. > “Most people in Australia would agree it’s not appropriate to steal national security information and publish it - governments have to have some degree of privacy in their communications." > He adds: “I don’t think many Australians have sympathy for him. Just because he’s Australian doesn’t mean he’s a good bloke.”

gearhart 2y ago
The BBC has a laudable goal of trying to be "balanced" which unfortunately is often poorly implemented as giving equal credence to both sides of an argument, even when doing so paints a wildly innaccurate picture. If you look at the totality of the BBC's coverage, it's clear that the general consensus is that he did a good thing for humanity that hurt some powerful people, and he's been unjustly punished for it, but that there is a small cohort of people (including some very vocal, powerful ones who get headlines) who disagree with that opinion and think that he did something negative and was justly punished for it. The trouble is that when you summarise that argument, you lose the "general consensus" and "small cohort" bits and you just get the two points, which together make a rather different story.
fphhotchips 2y ago
> Former Australian foreign minister Alexander Downer says "most people" in Australia do not see Assange as a journalist. The Downer family have recent history in misjudging what "most people" in significant chunks of the Australian public think. Chunks, for example, like the electorate they're trying to be members of parliament in.
InDubioProRubio 2y ago
Well, i guess the same "most people".Where(p => p.money > 1billion) .. dont like friendly jordies and were part of a crooked clan the day there ancestors got shipped in. So Assange is in good company..
sharken 2y ago
He sounds like a Downer with those statements. I guess it is to be expected from a person whose power is threatened by people like Assange. At least the PM seems like a more sensible person.
smsm42 2y ago
> do not see Assange as a journalist. Sure, a "journalist" is somebody who works for a mega-corporation, preferably owned by a billionaire with political ambitions, and reports whatever the party that controls his outlet considers to be fit to print at the moment. > he was guilty of a very serious offence When somebody is caught on camera robbing or stabbing, the "journalists" always insist he is "allegedly" guilty until the court decision is made. These rules, however, do not apply to people who publish dirt on politicians. > would agree it’s not appropriate to steal national security information and publish it "Journalists" have done it many times though. And got prestigious awards for it. Of course, the situation is different here - his wasn't approved for anybody powerful and didn't benefit any billionaire with political ambitions, so no awards for him.

intothemild 2y ago

> "I don't agree with what he did, and I won't, but it wasn't illegal," Mr Joyce said. One of the rare moment's I agree with Barnaby Joyce.

LilBytes 2y ago
Surprising for me also.