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I personally like disappearing (or shrinking) scrollbars, given they appear when I scroll with a wheel, or approach towards them. It allows me to understand whe

I personally like disappearing (or shrinking) scrollbars, given they appear when I scroll with a wheel, or approach towards them. It allows me to understand where I am, allows me to grab and scroll quickly when I approach them, and they allow me to see more content. Yes, I use a big screen, but borderless and clean windows allows me to fit more content into the screen and is less distracting in general.

funcDropShadow 2y ago
But this works only if you have a scroll wheel. And then it works only vertically. Horizontally you still have to click on the invisible scrollbar. To see where you are in relation to the whole document.
- bayindirh 2y ago
  In Firefox, when I start to move my mouse right, vertical scroll bar appears. Same is true for horizontal one when I move my mouse down. It happens even before I get closer to any of the scroll bars. So, a wheel/trackpad is not required per se. Moreover, almost all mice I used except the most basic ones have horizontal scrolling capability.
- dredmorbius 2y ago
  Turn mouse sideways. Problem solved!!!
brokenmachine 2y ago
Respectfully disagree. I absolutely hate disappearing scrollbars.
- bayindirh 2y ago
  I respect your view. This why we (should) have options. For example, Safari doesn't auto-show scrollbars like Firefox does, and it hinders its usability a lot, if you ask me.
  - brokenmachine 2y ago
    The user agent should work for the user. So we should be able to easily choose whatever default we want.
    - elric 2y ago
      The user agent hasn't worked users in quite a while now. They've become optimized to work for the website owner. Scrollbar behaviour is one example of this, but so are user-hostile input fields (e.g. not being able to paste email addresses in email confirmation fields, not being able to paste passwords, autocomplete being disabled for some fields and being unable to override it, etc). At this point, I would pay good money for an actual user agent that is worthy of the name. I wrote a rant about this on my blog last month. https://blog.melnib.one/2024/05/19/death-of-the-user-agent/ https://blog.melnib.one/2024/05/19/death-of-the-user-agent/

funcDropShadow 2y ago

But this works only if you have a scroll wheel. And then it works only vertically. Horizontally you still have to click on the invisible scrollbar. To see where you are in relation to the whole document.

bayindirh 2y ago
In Firefox, when I start to move my mouse right, vertical scroll bar appears. Same is true for horizontal one when I move my mouse down. It happens even before I get closer to any of the scroll bars. So, a wheel/trackpad is not required per se. Moreover, almost all mice I used except the most basic ones have horizontal scrolling capability.
dredmorbius 2y ago
Turn mouse sideways. Problem solved!!!

brokenmachine 2y ago

Respectfully disagree. I absolutely hate disappearing scrollbars.

bayindirh 2y ago
I respect your view. This why we (should) have options. For example, Safari doesn't auto-show scrollbars like Firefox does, and it hinders its usability a lot, if you ask me.
- brokenmachine 2y ago
  The user agent should work for the user. So we should be able to easily choose whatever default we want.
  - elric 2y ago
    The user agent hasn't worked users in quite a while now. They've become optimized to work for the website owner. Scrollbar behaviour is one example of this, but so are user-hostile input fields (e.g. not being able to paste email addresses in email confirmation fields, not being able to paste passwords, autocomplete being disabled for some fields and being unable to override it, etc). At this point, I would pay good money for an actual user agent that is worthy of the name. I wrote a rant about this on my blog last month. https://blog.melnib.one/2024/05/19/death-of-the-user-agent/ https://blog.melnib.one/2024/05/19/death-of-the-user-agent/