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Nature does not have above normal temperature. And I think article talk about the also degrading when just tossed to nature...

by Ekaros 2y ago

pajko 2y ago
But if it's possible to degrade it i solar-powered furnaces without any hazardous/toxic byproducts, it's already worth it. Or if microorganisms could decompose the buried stuff. Also composting is an exothermic reaction, generating heat up to 60C, which is above normal temperature anyway. The question is how waterproof it is, can it get wet or store liquids.
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- Qwertious 2y ago
  >But if it's possible to degrade it i solar-powered furnaces without any hazardous/toxic byproducts, it's already worth it. Bottles don't carry themselves to solar-powered furnaces. If we assume that they did (and plastic oceans in the pacific demonstrate otherwise), then we could target the much-easier problem of making plastics that are stable when dumped in a landfill.
  - Perz1val 2y ago
    So if I leave a bottle of water in summer inside a car, then will I be drinking plastic juice?
    - kombookcha 2y ago
      You already kinda do if you're drinking bottles of water left in the car for a long time, time+sun/heat/motion is how microplastics are made.
  - spacebanana7 2y ago
    I suppose the perfect bottle plastic would biodegrade under natural conditions after 5 years or so, but also biodegrade rapidly under enhanced conditions (e.g high temp, fungi). That way the lifespan of the contents wouldn't be limited by the bottle - minimising food waste - but we'd retain the ability to get rid of the bottle safely without huge landfills.
goodpoint 2y ago
> Nature does not have above normal temperature I wish.
- Qwertious 2y ago
  Nature doesn't have a normal temperature. Some places hit 40 C regularly, others never go that high.
  - arghwhat 2y ago
    The highest recorded air temperature is 56.7°C, while the lowest is 89.2°C. That's a 145.9°C wide range.
patates 2y ago
> Nature does not have above normal temperature Depends on how much you dig I guess?
panstromek 2y ago
Some biologial processes can create impressive amount of heat. Haystacks can catch fire just from the internal heating.

Nature does not have above normal temperature. And I think article talk about the also degrading when just tossed to nature...

by Ekaros 2y ago

Nature does not have above normal temperature. And I think article talk about the also degrading when just tossed to nature...

pajko 2y ago

But if it's possible to degrade it i solar-powered furnaces without any hazardous/toxic byproducts, it's already worth it. Or if microorganisms could decompose the buried stuff. Also composting is an exothermic reaction, generating heat up to 60C, which is above normal temperature anyway. The question is how waterproof it is, can it get wet or store liquids.

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Qwertious 2y ago
>But if it's possible to degrade it i solar-powered furnaces without any hazardous/toxic byproducts, it's already worth it. Bottles don't carry themselves to solar-powered furnaces. If we assume that they did (and plastic oceans in the pacific demonstrate otherwise), then we could target the much-easier problem of making plastics that are stable when dumped in a landfill.
- Perz1val 2y ago
  So if I leave a bottle of water in summer inside a car, then will I be drinking plastic juice?
  - kombookcha 2y ago
    You already kinda do if you're drinking bottles of water left in the car for a long time, time+sun/heat/motion is how microplastics are made.
- spacebanana7 2y ago
  I suppose the perfect bottle plastic would biodegrade under natural conditions after 5 years or so, but also biodegrade rapidly under enhanced conditions (e.g high temp, fungi). That way the lifespan of the contents wouldn't be limited by the bottle - minimising food waste - but we'd retain the ability to get rid of the bottle safely without huge landfills.

goodpoint 2y ago

> Nature does not have above normal temperature I wish.

Qwertious 2y ago
Nature doesn't have a normal temperature. Some places hit 40 C regularly, others never go that high.
- arghwhat 2y ago
  The highest recorded air temperature is 56.7°C, while the lowest is 89.2°C. That's a 145.9°C wide range.

patates 2y ago

> Nature does not have above normal temperature Depends on how much you dig I guess?

panstromek 2y ago

Some biologial processes can create impressive amount of heat. Haystacks can catch fire just from the internal heating.