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Parasitic? My God, the Kool Aid has been depleted. The reason their "ecosystem" has any value is because of the "parasites". They're a f**ng platform. Excuse

by oblio 2y ago

Parasitic? My God, the Kool Aid has been depleted. The reason their "ecosystem" has any value is because of the "parasites". They're a f**ng platform. Excuse me, but we should know better over here.

ryan_lane 2y ago
It's parasitic because if you want to participate in the market, you need to use their platform. Their value is ideally keeping scammers out, but they don't do a great job of that and part of the reason they don't is because they also profit when the scammers do. For example, gambling for kids (loot boxes) is OK. The other part of the value is having a central place to list and promote apps, but also there they're double dipping as you need to pay them to get eyes to your app. Their value absolutely does not equal 30% of your revenue.
- oblio 2y ago
  You've misread the original comment. It wasn't calling Apple parasitic, it was calling the app DEVELOPERS parasitic which is crazy talk.
  - ryan_lane 2y ago
    Oh. Wow. Yeah, calling devs parasitic is wild.
carlosjobim 2y ago
People who are demanding benefits for free (ie selling your products in somebody else's store), are parasites. Those who cooperate, or set up their own shop if they don't want to cooperate, are not. Let me know when I can start selling stuff on Amazon without giving them a cut. Or put up a stand in the local supermarket where I sell my produce directly to customers. If App developers made iOS such a profitable market, why haven't they made Android an equally profitable market? There's more users, more liberty, more potential money to be made. What it comes down to is whether it's better to get a big piece of a small pie or a smaller piece of a big pie. Apple offers a bigger pie of user spending for developers, while cutting out a bigger chunk for themselves from that pie.
- oblio 2y ago
  Windows was the most successful platform in IT history for about 30 years without this BS.
  - carlosjobim 2y ago
    And they still are, when it comes to enterprise. But consumer software spending was something very niche before Apple expanded the market.
    - oblio 2y ago
      > But consumer software spending was something very niche before Apple expanded the market. LOLNO :-) The web is and was a major consumer "software" platform. We just don't have raw numbers for it because it's so distributed, my guess is that it's still bigger than these walled gardens combined. The web would be even bigger if said walled garden makers wouldn't c**block it by not investing in progressive web apps & co (while they are investing like crazy in their walled gardens, of course).
      - carlosjobim 2y ago
        30 years ago was 1994. Most people did not even have a personal computer. Consumer software was a super niche product. Subscription online software for consumers was not a big market until pretty recently. As a matter of fact, from the top of my head I cannot think of any such software that is very popular for consumers. Or do you refer to subscription entertainment?
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by oblio 2y ago

Parasitic? My God, the Kool Aid has been depleted. The reason their "ecosystem" has any value is because of the "parasites". They're a f**ng platform. Excuse me, but we should know better over here.

ryan_lane 2y ago

It's parasitic because if you want to participate in the market, you need to use their platform. Their value is ideally keeping scammers out, but they don't do a great job of that and part of the reason they don't is because they also profit when the scammers do. For example, gambling for kids (loot boxes) is OK. The other part of the value is having a central place to list and promote apps, but also there they're double dipping as you need to pay them to get eyes to your app. Their value absolutely does not equal 30% of your revenue.

oblio 2y ago
You've misread the original comment. It wasn't calling Apple parasitic, it was calling the app DEVELOPERS parasitic which is crazy talk.
- ryan_lane 2y ago
  Oh. Wow. Yeah, calling devs parasitic is wild.

carlosjobim 2y ago

People who are demanding benefits for free (ie selling your products in somebody else's store), are parasites. Those who cooperate, or set up their own shop if they don't want to cooperate, are not. Let me know when I can start selling stuff on Amazon without giving them a cut. Or put up a stand in the local supermarket where I sell my produce directly to customers. If App developers made iOS such a profitable market, why haven't they made Android an equally profitable market? There's more users, more liberty, more potential money to be made. What it comes down to is whether it's better to get a big piece of a small pie or a smaller piece of a big pie. Apple offers a bigger pie of user spending for developers, while cutting out a bigger chunk for themselves from that pie.

oblio 2y ago
Windows was the most successful platform in IT history for about 30 years without this BS.
- carlosjobim 2y ago
  And they still are, when it comes to enterprise. But consumer software spending was something very niche before Apple expanded the market.
  - oblio 2y ago
    > But consumer software spending was something very niche before Apple expanded the market. LOLNO :-) The web is and was a major consumer "software" platform. We just don't have raw numbers for it because it's so distributed, my guess is that it's still bigger than these walled gardens combined. The web would be even bigger if said walled garden makers wouldn't c**block it by not investing in progressive web apps & co (while they are investing like crazy in their walled gardens, of course).
    - carlosjobim 2y ago
      30 years ago was 1994. Most people did not even have a personal computer. Consumer software was a super niche product. Subscription online software for consumers was not a big market until pretty recently. As a matter of fact, from the top of my head I cannot think of any such software that is very popular for consumers. Or do you refer to subscription entertainment?

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