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>So you're saying Chinese law applies to you when you're a US citizen in the US? If I launched a ransomware attack against a Chinese company, smuggled drugs in

>So you're saying Chinese law applies to you when you're a US citizen in the US? If I launched a ransomware attack against a Chinese company, smuggled drugs into China via the Post, etc then I wouldn't be surprised when China charged me for my crimes. That is how the world works! There are plenty of laws where you don't need to be physically inside a country to be at risk of indictment (or equivalent). >We can't be subject to every country's laws, irrespective of citizenship or location. It would be silly for a country to try and enforce every law they have on others abroad. That doesn't mean countries can't enforce certain laws on people who are abroad. I gave you 4 examples of laws that countries commonly enforce on people abroad and for good reason. >You've just argued yourself into saying that it is proper, good, and right for China to extradite you. If not you personally, then people you know who did say negative things about the CCP. Or took Muhammad's name in vain. Or, or, or.. No I didn't. China trying to extradite someone for criticizing them isn't the same as the US trying to extradite a Russian hacker who is behind a ransomware attack or a South American drug kingpin. Assange was a direct co-conspirator in accessing and stealing classified documents. Trying to pretend like that is on the same level as criticizing the CCP or some warlord is absurd. It is so absurd it is hard to tell if you are even being serious or just trolling.

jiggawatts 2y ago
> China trying to extradite someone for criticizing them isn't the same as the US trying to extradite a Russian hacker who is behind a ransomware attack or a South American drug kingpin. Why? To them it's the same severity of "crime". You don't get to define who takes what crimes seriously. If you open the door the US prosecution of overseas non-citizens for non-crimes they didn't commit on US soil, then you open the door for everyone else to apply the same logic to you. Assange basically did nothing. He didn't break into any systems, he didn't access any IT systems, etc... > trying to pretend like that is on the same level as criticizing the CCP or some warlord is absurd. Tell that to these people, executed for criticizing a dead person: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo To you this might be an absurd reason to go execute someone, but to other people it was a "serious crime" requiring capital punishment.
DSingularity 2y ago
Reading posts like this make just wonder: how can one be so off? I mean in the “missing forest for the trees” sense of off. What exactly was this guy doing? Was he accessing secrets to sell them to north korea or was he exposing crimes against humanity, conspiracies against the public interest, and violations of international law? I wonder something. Let’s say the mafia spent on Hollywood and mainstream news enough to develop mainstream culture to the point where the mafia is legitimized in the eyes of enough of the public. You would defend mob punishment of someone who steals documents from them wouldn’t you? I wonder what is it that makes you ready to side with authority and blame the (potential) victim? Do you always side with authority because it’s more comfortable to pretend they are noble than to admit to yourself that you ignore the tyranny of an evil, abusive authority? Do you blame the Gazans for Israel dropping bombs on their apartment buildings or burning their children alive in the refugee tent camps (that Israel declared as safe) because nearly two decades ago Hamas won the election in Gaza? Do you blame the millions Vietnamese for getting agent orange dropped on them because they dared to tolerate deviations from what the Americans desired in terms of Vietnamese economic/civic management? It’s an interesting thing to see people jump to defend an authority when they lash out from a position which is so clearly not the moral high ground. Why is that? The American Government destroyed this mans life because he exposed their crimes. You can’t ignore the Governments crimes — which stretch far back —- while being fixated on his violations of some social contract that has been long trampled upon by the government itself.
- Cody-99 2y ago
  What on earth are you rambling about?

jiggawatts 2y ago

> China trying to extradite someone for criticizing them isn't the same as the US trying to extradite a Russian hacker who is behind a ransomware attack or a South American drug kingpin. Why? To them it's the same severity of "crime". You don't get to define who takes what crimes seriously. If you open the door the US prosecution of overseas non-citizens for non-crimes they didn't commit on US soil, then you open the door for everyone else to apply the same logic to you. Assange basically did nothing. He didn't break into any systems, he didn't access any IT systems, etc... > trying to pretend like that is on the same level as criticizing the CCP or some warlord is absurd. Tell that to these people, executed for criticizing a dead person: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo To you this might be an absurd reason to go execute someone, but to other people it was a "serious crime" requiring capital punishment.

DSingularity 2y ago

Reading posts like this make just wonder: how can one be so off? I mean in the “missing forest for the trees” sense of off. What exactly was this guy doing? Was he accessing secrets to sell them to north korea or was he exposing crimes against humanity, conspiracies against the public interest, and violations of international law? I wonder something. Let’s say the mafia spent on Hollywood and mainstream news enough to develop mainstream culture to the point where the mafia is legitimized in the eyes of enough of the public. You would defend mob punishment of someone who steals documents from them wouldn’t you? I wonder what is it that makes you ready to side with authority and blame the (potential) victim? Do you always side with authority because it’s more comfortable to pretend they are noble than to admit to yourself that you ignore the tyranny of an evil, abusive authority? Do you blame the Gazans for Israel dropping bombs on their apartment buildings or burning their children alive in the refugee tent camps (that Israel declared as safe) because nearly two decades ago Hamas won the election in Gaza? Do you blame the millions Vietnamese for getting agent orange dropped on them because they dared to tolerate deviations from what the Americans desired in terms of Vietnamese economic/civic management? It’s an interesting thing to see people jump to defend an authority when they lash out from a position which is so clearly not the moral high ground. Why is that? The American Government destroyed this mans life because he exposed their crimes. You can’t ignore the Governments crimes — which stretch far back —- while being fixated on his violations of some social contract that has been long trampled upon by the government itself.

Cody-99 2y ago
What on earth are you rambling about?