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Indeed "Pedal Misapplication" is in fact a routine term of art[1]. Drivers hit the wrong pedal all the time when they get surprised. But of course this accide

by ajross 2y ago

Indeed "Pedal Misapplication" is in fact a routine term of art[1]. Drivers hit the wrong pedal all the time when they get surprised. But of course this accident must be because it's a Tesla. [1] Went to Wikipedia to get a link; and indeed, it seems like the NHTA estimated in 2015 that it's responsible for 16k collisions per year: https://web.archive.org/web/20161226060428/https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/nhtsa-safety-advisory-reducing-crashes-caused-pedal-error https://web.archive.org/web/20161226060428/https://www.nhtsa...

shkkmo 2y ago
How does accidentally stomping the gas instead of the brake lock up the rear brakes to leave a 50ft skid?
- ajross 2y ago
  Because you then deliberately stomp the brakes to stop the car you forgot you commanded to accelerate. Again, this happens all the time, and no one cares when it's a grandpa in a F-150.
- rasz 2y ago
  Stomp on both, car breaks hard by locking all tires. Blame "Tesla bug" because it didnt stop in 50 feet ... after you sped up by max accelerating for 8 seconds flat to ~80mph.
stefan_ 2y ago
What makes the rear wheels lock except the brakes? Do Teslas have separate front rear brakes like a bicycle?
- cyberax 2y ago
  All modern cars in the US have an ability to modulate the braking on each wheel, via ABS/ESP systems.
  - jjav 2y ago
    Sure, but the driver doesn't have separate pedals for front and rear brakes. GP was claiming it might be a driver error, but in the absence of separate brake pedals for front and rear, it is not an error the driver can make.
jjav 2y ago
> Drivers hit the wrong pedal all the time when they get surprised. Article says rear wheels were locked up, which implies heavy brake pressure. Why the fronts weren't also locked up is an open question, but in any properly engineered car that should be impossible. The front brakes are always larger and more powerful, so if enough braking force is being applied to lock the rears, the front wheels should also.
- ajross 2y ago
  Article's source is two tweets. Let's maybe consult Occam before diving too far down the conspiracy hole. Confirmed Priors are a hell of a drug, as it were. The point being that there is a extremely simple explanation for this accident that people are willfully ignoring because of the manufacturer of the vehicle.
  - jjav 2y ago
    > The point being that there is a extremely simple explanation for this accident Can you share that extremely simple explanation, if you know it?
    - ajross 2y ago
      I just did. The tweeter is a two-pedal driver who leaned on the accelerator by accident, didn't realize it, and stomped on the brakes to stop the car. Then fibbed about it a little on Twitter for clicks. Why do you believe this one twitter user over me? Because one confirms your priors and the other doesn't.
      - jjav 2y ago
        > The tweeter is a two-pedal driver who leaned on the accelerator by accident, didn't realize it, That could be. > and stomped on the brakes to stop the car So, why didn't the car stop? Why did it keep driving forward with only one axle locked up by the brakes? > Why do you believe this one twitter user over me? Well because he was there and you were not.

by ajross 2y ago

shkkmo 2y ago

How does accidentally stomping the gas instead of the brake lock up the rear brakes to leave a 50ft skid?

ajross 2y ago
Because you then deliberately stomp the brakes to stop the car you forgot you commanded to accelerate. Again, this happens all the time, and no one cares when it's a grandpa in a F-150.
rasz 2y ago
Stomp on both, car breaks hard by locking all tires. Blame "Tesla bug" because it didnt stop in 50 feet ... after you sped up by max accelerating for 8 seconds flat to ~80mph.

stefan_ 2y ago

What makes the rear wheels lock except the brakes? Do Teslas have separate front rear brakes like a bicycle?

cyberax 2y ago
All modern cars in the US have an ability to modulate the braking on each wheel, via ABS/ESP systems.
- jjav 2y ago
  Sure, but the driver doesn't have separate pedals for front and rear brakes. GP was claiming it might be a driver error, but in the absence of separate brake pedals for front and rear, it is not an error the driver can make.

jjav 2y ago

> Drivers hit the wrong pedal all the time when they get surprised. Article says rear wheels were locked up, which implies heavy brake pressure. Why the fronts weren't also locked up is an open question, but in any properly engineered car that should be impossible. The front brakes are always larger and more powerful, so if enough braking force is being applied to lock the rears, the front wheels should also.

ajross 2y ago
Article's source is two tweets. Let's maybe consult Occam before diving too far down the conspiracy hole. Confirmed Priors are a hell of a drug, as it were. The point being that there is a extremely simple explanation for this accident that people are willfully ignoring because of the manufacturer of the vehicle.
- jjav 2y ago
  > The point being that there is a extremely simple explanation for this accident Can you share that extremely simple explanation, if you know it?
  - ajross 2y ago
    I just did. The tweeter is a two-pedal driver who leaned on the accelerator by accident, didn't realize it, and stomped on the brakes to stop the car. Then fibbed about it a little on Twitter for clicks. Why do you believe this one twitter user over me? Because one confirms your priors and the other doesn't.
    - jjav 2y ago
      > The tweeter is a two-pedal driver who leaned on the accelerator by accident, didn't realize it, That could be. > and stomped on the brakes to stop the car So, why didn't the car stop? Why did it keep driving forward with only one axle locked up by the brakes? > Why do you believe this one twitter user over me? Well because he was there and you were not.