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> And the church didn't even care _that_ much. They cared enough to put heliocentric books on the index of forbidded books for centuries. Gallileo might have

> And the church didn't even care _that_ much. They cared enough to put heliocentric books on the index of forbidded books for centuries. Gallileo might have offended the Pope, but the works of Copernicus was also forbidden.

XorNot 2y ago
There's a weird amount of apologism for the actions of the Church towards Galileo. "Oh but he insulted an authority" - like, that doesn't make it better. I mean they also just straight up incinerated a man for daring to suggest aliens might exist[1]. Organized religion is, and remains, an authoritarian system of oppression. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giordano_Bruno https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giordano_Bruno
- moi2388 2y ago
  Did you know that in quite some countries you are officially not allowed to mock foreign leaders either? I mean it’s usually not enforced, but it’s definitely part of the law
  - XorNot 2y ago
    You seem to think this is some sort of "gotcha". I can, and other citizens have told our Prime Minister exactly what they think of him to his face. They're completely free to do so.
    - moi2388 2y ago
      Not a gotcha, just showing that’s it’s not only the church
josefx 2y ago
The works of Copernicus circulated for almost a century before they where put on the index for their association with Galileo.
- bazoom42 2y ago
  OK that explanation make the church seem even more moronic that in the usual narrative. Gallileo was certainly correct in calling the pope an idiot, even if it was unwise.
  - josefx 2y ago
    Their goal was to limit what support Galileo could gain for his works in public discurse. It most likely helped with that. It also did not stop scientists from improving on the copernican model without incurring the wrath of the church, they just used earth as point of reference to make the model geocentric.

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> And the church didn't even care _that_ much. They cared enough to put heliocentric books on the index of forbidded books for centuries. Gallileo might have

by bazoom42 2y ago

XorNot 2y ago
There's a weird amount of apologism for the actions of the Church towards Galileo. "Oh but he insulted an authority" - like, that doesn't make it better. I mean they also just straight up incinerated a man for daring to suggest aliens might exist[1]. Organized religion is, and remains, an authoritarian system of oppression. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giordano_Bruno https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giordano_Bruno
- moi2388 2y ago
  Did you know that in quite some countries you are officially not allowed to mock foreign leaders either? I mean it’s usually not enforced, but it’s definitely part of the law
  - XorNot 2y ago
    You seem to think this is some sort of "gotcha". I can, and other citizens have told our Prime Minister exactly what they think of him to his face. They're completely free to do so.
    - moi2388 2y ago
      Not a gotcha, just showing that’s it’s not only the church
josefx 2y ago
The works of Copernicus circulated for almost a century before they where put on the index for their association with Galileo.
- bazoom42 2y ago
  OK that explanation make the church seem even more moronic that in the usual narrative. Gallileo was certainly correct in calling the pope an idiot, even if it was unwise.
  - josefx 2y ago
    Their goal was to limit what support Galileo could gain for his works in public discurse. It most likely helped with that. It also did not stop scientists from improving on the copernican model without incurring the wrath of the church, they just used earth as point of reference to make the model geocentric.