> ou have no idea of what visibility I actually had Yes. But I have a very good idea of what products Nokia shipped before the memo and they were quite shit,

> ou have no idea of what visibility I actually had Yes. But I have a very good idea of what products Nokia shipped before the memo and they were quite shit, compared to the other options on the market. Just re-read the memo itself and explain with a honest heart how exactly Apple got to 61% in 2010? Was that the evil Elop doing things? Or that was Nokia and Nokia employees doing shit for years before 2010? You are perfectly aware what to lose the market in 2010 you need to make shit products in 2007-2009, because you can't be totally fine all this time and at Dec 31 2010 BAM all the base belong to Apple. > which buildings we shared, common lunch talks Puhlease, lunch talks don't push a shitty products to the market. It's the internal bureaucracy, lack of the ability to take the responsibility and overall the bloated and entrenched corporate culture of Nokia what does that.