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You can still use it offline without an account just fine with Pro SKUs and up.

by hhh 2y ago

ranger_danger 2y ago
that shouldn't be necessary though
ziddoap 2y ago
You can use offline accounts with Home as well.
_carbyau_ 2y ago
Installed Windows 11 Pro, had to do some CLI dickery to get the option for local only account.
- hhh 2y ago
  here are the steps I just used a few minutes ago to use a local account. You can do it without leaving the OOBE, but you shouldn't have to go through so many steps to do it. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40781798 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40781798
- justsomehnguy 2y ago
  ITT: people complain about 'CLI dickery' in Windows but arguing for Linux. *shrug_emoji*
  - Biganon 2y ago
    ...yes? Because on Windows, the CLI is used to circumvent the highly smelly patterns that Microsoft puts in your way to force you to act in a way that is financially interesting for them, even though you've paid for their shitty OS already On Linux, the CLI (in a similar scenario) is used to... install the software. And you can probably use a GUI package manager depending on your distro. Do you really not see the difference?
    - _carbyau_ 2y ago
      Not the person you are replying to but... They are different points of contention and I think both of your points are valid - though only really linked via "CLI dickery". You are correct that MS is being annoying, stupid and pushy and causes me to resort to CLI-dickery/regedit/service-disable/google-what-fucking-tickbox-to-untick-now to make it calm the farm. Linux doesn't try to mess with my farm. But I only get 80% - 90% of a farm to start with and have to google "How to do/fix [XYZ],[abc] and [123]" and the answer is always CLI dickery. Last night it was "Use Vim to edit [this] file." Great, then I had to google how to use Vim. But wait, I only want to edit a file so use any file editor! But now I need it to run under sudo... Both OSs have their issues and CLI dickery isn't going away. But with MS, I paid them so I feel entitled to have expectations as to product behaviour - especially when it keeps trying to change from what I bought.
    - justsomehnguy 2y ago
      > Because on Windows, the CLI is used to circumvent the highly smelly patterns And on Linux you use CLI to investigate why the hell a modern distro (Rocky 9) hangs up if you run anything more complex than a ping. Or just hangs up if you don't touch it at all, just a bit later. ANd it requires 9 hard resets (thankfully there WAS an option to do them, it wasn't some desktop class machine an ocean away) and digging and digging what is exactly happening, why it happens and what magik incantations needs to be CLI'ed on this exact version of the distro, because other versions are reporting what everything is correct... yet the machine still hangs. Source: just spent 4 hours in CLI dickery for that great, stable and unkillable operating system. But of course, if MS OS - it's 'CLI dickery' but if Linux - then the only time you touch CLI is to 'dnf install magic' And yes, the real difference is what for the most part you don't need 'CLI dickery' on Windows, so when someone argues for the Linux-like OSes as an a better alternative to Windows it doesn't sounds good.
wtallis 2y ago
I've definitely seen laptops from multiple OEMs with Pro edition pre-installed that still don't offer the local account route without first going through the CLI to bypass. I think the only other route remaining is to just not have any NIC that the installer can recognize.
cjk2 2y ago
Not by saying "no" you can't. You have to fuck around with shift+F10 and oobe stuff. This was tested on 23H2 yesterday.
- hhh 2y ago
  Yes, you can. I just now downloaded a win11 23H2 iso and installed w11 pro without going outside of the OOBE. Sure, you shouldn't have to click 'domain join instead' etc, but you can absolutely do it without doing anything outside of the OOBE. Here are the exact steps I used: https://pastebin.com/nDnLBYg2 https://pastebin.com/nDnLBYg2
  - aidenn0 2y ago
    Does the "domain join" work even if you don't have an AD server setup to join to?
    - hhh 2y ago
      yes, it just sets up a local account

You can still use it offline without an account just fine with Pro SKUs and up.

by hhh 2y ago

You can still use it offline without an account just fine with Pro SKUs and up.

ranger_danger 2y ago

that shouldn't be necessary though

ziddoap 2y ago

You can use offline accounts with Home as well.

_carbyau_ 2y ago

Installed Windows 11 Pro, had to do some CLI dickery to get the option for local only account.

hhh 2y ago
here are the steps I just used a few minutes ago to use a local account. You can do it without leaving the OOBE, but you shouldn't have to go through so many steps to do it. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40781798 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40781798
justsomehnguy 2y ago
ITT: people complain about 'CLI dickery' in Windows but arguing for Linux. *shrug_emoji*
- Biganon 2y ago
  ...yes? Because on Windows, the CLI is used to circumvent the highly smelly patterns that Microsoft puts in your way to force you to act in a way that is financially interesting for them, even though you've paid for their shitty OS already On Linux, the CLI (in a similar scenario) is used to... install the software. And you can probably use a GUI package manager depending on your distro. Do you really not see the difference?
  - _carbyau_ 2y ago
    Not the person you are replying to but... They are different points of contention and I think both of your points are valid - though only really linked via "CLI dickery". You are correct that MS is being annoying, stupid and pushy and causes me to resort to CLI-dickery/regedit/service-disable/google-what-fucking-tickbox-to-untick-now to make it calm the farm. Linux doesn't try to mess with my farm. But I only get 80% - 90% of a farm to start with and have to google "How to do/fix [XYZ],[abc] and [123]" and the answer is always CLI dickery. Last night it was "Use Vim to edit [this] file." Great, then I had to google how to use Vim. But wait, I only want to edit a file so use any file editor! But now I need it to run under sudo... Both OSs have their issues and CLI dickery isn't going away. But with MS, I paid them so I feel entitled to have expectations as to product behaviour - especially when it keeps trying to change from what I bought.
  - justsomehnguy 2y ago
    > Because on Windows, the CLI is used to circumvent the highly smelly patterns And on Linux you use CLI to investigate why the hell a modern distro (Rocky 9) hangs up if you run anything more complex than a ping. Or just hangs up if you don't touch it at all, just a bit later. ANd it requires 9 hard resets (thankfully there WAS an option to do them, it wasn't some desktop class machine an ocean away) and digging and digging what is exactly happening, why it happens and what magik incantations needs to be CLI'ed on this exact version of the distro, because other versions are reporting what everything is correct... yet the machine still hangs. Source: just spent 4 hours in CLI dickery for that great, stable and unkillable operating system. But of course, if MS OS - it's 'CLI dickery' but if Linux - then the only time you touch CLI is to 'dnf install magic' And yes, the real difference is what for the most part you don't need 'CLI dickery' on Windows, so when someone argues for the Linux-like OSes as an a better alternative to Windows it doesn't sounds good.

wtallis 2y ago

I've definitely seen laptops from multiple OEMs with Pro edition pre-installed that still don't offer the local account route without first going through the CLI to bypass. I think the only other route remaining is to just not have any NIC that the installer can recognize.

cjk2 2y ago

Not by saying "no" you can't. You have to fuck around with shift+F10 and oobe stuff. This was tested on 23H2 yesterday.

hhh 2y ago
Yes, you can. I just now downloaded a win11 23H2 iso and installed w11 pro without going outside of the OOBE. Sure, you shouldn't have to click 'domain join instead' etc, but you can absolutely do it without doing anything outside of the OOBE. Here are the exact steps I used: https://pastebin.com/nDnLBYg2 https://pastebin.com/nDnLBYg2
- aidenn0 2y ago
  Does the "domain join" work even if you don't have an AD server setup to join to?
  - hhh 2y ago
    yes, it just sets up a local account