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I'm not saying it shouldn't change. What I'm saying is this is more commonplace than what people believe. Hair stylists, auto mechanics, construction workers in

I'm not saying it shouldn't change. What I'm saying is this is more commonplace than what people believe. Hair stylists, auto mechanics, construction workers in many places, they all work under these conditions and have for many years. There's many more professions that offer flexibility that also work under these conditions. Often times these same people because they're individuals do not have any collective bargaining to make a better deal. They simply take the deal that's available and hope to make it work. Often times it doesn't work but for some it does and works consistently. I do think there's a general expectation that a flexible work when you want styled job should only be a benefit to the employee. They seem to feel that the employer shouldn't be able to tell them when their work is no longer required. Because there are other jobs besides Uber and if they wanted to work those less flexible jobs they could. Those less flexible jobs tend to come with the kind of contractual stability you're talking about. For example your hiring of a moving company is something you can track for in advance. That contract is in place they can provide the laborers when and where they're needed. I don't believe it's a fair example to compare to Uber. Uber would be more akin to a pool of day laborers. Contractors show up they need five guys to roof a house. When they get to the job site maybe they realize that nothing is ready so they all go home with a pittance if anything at all. And that is the risk of the flexibility of day labor. Is it right? Well that kind of flexibility in your work comes with risks and downsides. Because sometimes the contractor will show up and they'll need 25 guys to frame five houses that day but there's only a pool of 10 people. So that risk cuts both ways.

tremon 2y ago
Hair stylists, auto mechanics, construction workers [..] all work under these conditions Please specify under what conditions you mean here, because I know of no hair stylists nor construction workers that work by only doing the jobs that are allocated to them by a single company yet have no employment contract with that company. Either they own the hair salon/garage, or they get paid whenever they are available for work at said hair salon/garage by said owner.
- gruez 2y ago
  >because I know of no hair stylists nor construction workers that work by only doing the jobs that are allocated to them by a single company yet have no employment contract with that company. Can't a rideshare driver work for both uber and lyft? Moreover, how much job hopping actually happens for hair stylists or auto mechanics?
  - jkaplowitz 2y ago
    For a long time I used a hairdresser (aka barber or hair stylist - but I’m male with simple short hair) who worked at two salons (aka barber shop from the mindset of customers like me) every week. It definitely happens. A typical model in that area (NYC) for hairdressers who didn’t own the salon was to rent a chair at a salon, but they weren’t employees and were totally allowed to do part-time chair rentals at multiple salons at once. Her contract with my salon prevented her from telling me her other salon, so I had to switch hairdressers instead of staying with her when she stopped working at that salon. The other hairdresser I switched to later bought the salon from the previous owner when he retired, complete with a rename of the salon from his name to hers. I still use her when I need a haircut and am in NYC. And yes, there are still other hairdressers working there, presumably each renting a chair as she previously did.
ziddoap 2y ago
>Contractors show up they need five guys to roof a house. When they get to the job site maybe they realize that nothing is ready so they all go home with a pittance if anything at all. I worked in construction for about a decade, including with companies that supplemented crews with day labour when required, and we were always required to pay at least 4 hours (even if we sent them home after 5 minutes).

tremon 2y ago

Hair stylists, auto mechanics, construction workers [..] all work under these conditions Please specify under what conditions you mean here, because I know of no hair stylists nor construction workers that work by only doing the jobs that are allocated to them by a single company yet have no employment contract with that company. Either they own the hair salon/garage, or they get paid whenever they are available for work at said hair salon/garage by said owner.

gruez 2y ago
>because I know of no hair stylists nor construction workers that work by only doing the jobs that are allocated to them by a single company yet have no employment contract with that company. Can't a rideshare driver work for both uber and lyft? Moreover, how much job hopping actually happens for hair stylists or auto mechanics?
- jkaplowitz 2y ago
  For a long time I used a hairdresser (aka barber or hair stylist - but I’m male with simple short hair) who worked at two salons (aka barber shop from the mindset of customers like me) every week. It definitely happens. A typical model in that area (NYC) for hairdressers who didn’t own the salon was to rent a chair at a salon, but they weren’t employees and were totally allowed to do part-time chair rentals at multiple salons at once. Her contract with my salon prevented her from telling me her other salon, so I had to switch hairdressers instead of staying with her when she stopped working at that salon. The other hairdresser I switched to later bought the salon from the previous owner when he retired, complete with a rename of the salon from his name to hers. I still use her when I need a haircut and am in NYC. And yes, there are still other hairdressers working there, presumably each renting a chair as she previously did.

ziddoap 2y ago

>Contractors show up they need five guys to roof a house. When they get to the job site maybe they realize that nothing is ready so they all go home with a pittance if anything at all. I worked in construction for about a decade, including with companies that supplemented crews with day labour when required, and we were always required to pay at least 4 hours (even if we sent them home after 5 minutes).