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> The first First Lady it was okay to hate and to ignore I don't know, there was lots of hate and dislike for Nancy Reagan and Hilary Clinton. Seems like a lot

> The first First Lady it was okay to hate and to ignore I don't know, there was lots of hate and dislike for Nancy Reagan and Hilary Clinton. Seems like a lot of people thought "Just say no" was pretty asinine and out of touch. And FWIW, I think she deserved the coverage she did wearing the "I don't care, do u?" jacket. Sure, whatever, she meant it to be pointed towards left-wing haters and wasn't supposed to be directed towards the immigrant child separation crisis. But there's a time and place to make a statement like that. Wear it at some fundraising dinner or other public event, not in some place where you're going to visit an ongoing humanitarian crisis. Not when there's such a massive chance for that statement to get misunderstood.

borski 2y ago
Precisely. Couldn’t have said it better myself. Wear a jacket with the message all you want. But timing and context of the message matters. Even if I were an anarchist, I wouldn’t wear a “let’s burn it all down” jacket to the site of a massive fire either. Sometimes your message is less important than paying attention to your surroundings, especially as the First Lady. So yes, she deserved all the anger headed in her direction for that stunt, but the jacket wasn’t the issue. The context, timing, and absolute tone-deafness was.
vuln 2y ago
> towards the immigrant child separation crisis There was no _crisis_ I’m sorry your media did that to you and the potion of the population they whipped into a frenzy. I still remember the journalists using pictures from the previous administration. Effective propaganda to say the least.
- vel0city 2y ago
  That the policy or similar existed previously doesn't make what happened to those kids a crisis. Quite telling you think the government separating children from their families and losing track of a lot of them isn't considered a crisis. I don't care who does it, it's bad policy and losing them is unacceptable. Also, while "kids in detention facilities" happened in other administrations, the direct tactic of specifically separating families with no intention of later reunification was something unique to the Trump administration. The "kids in cages" during the Obama administration came across the border unaccompanied, the Trump policy was to separate families and then not tell the families where their kids were. I'm sorry you don't have the humanity enough to see the policy of child separation is wrong. I'm sorry your media brainwashing led you to think the cages built during the Obama administration was used for the exact same policies as the Trump administration, because they weren't.
  - vuln 2y ago
    > The "kids in cages" during the Obama administration came across the border unaccompanied, the Trump policy was to separate families and then not tell the families where their kids were. Right, under Trump the kids were being used as pawns to get unknown non family members into the US hence the DNA testing and subsequent separation. There was a large influx of children being trafficked and abused in such manner. Biden ended Trump unaccompanied minor law and stopped rapid DNA testing. https://www.newsweek.com/joe-bidens-reversal-trumps-border-ban-solo-children-increases-cartel-profits-1576278 https://www.newsweek.com/joe-bidens-reversal-trumps-border-b... https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/us-detention-child-migrants https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/us-detention-child-migrants https://www.fairus.org/legislation/executive/biden-administration-jettisons-dna-testing-families-border https://www.fairus.org/legislation/executive/biden-administr...
    - vel0city 2y ago
      You're conflating two different things. FWIW, I'm generally pro rapid DNA testing of families crossing the border. I think they should be held together unless there's reasonable suspicion or a DNA test proves otherwise. The policy I'm talking about only lasted a few months, it wasn't something Biden changed. The child separation crisis was sparked by a zero tolerance policy for adults crossing the border. This meant if anyone crossed the border, even legitimate parents, the parents would immediately be sent to jail and the kids separated. So even if a DNA test would prove you were the parents, your children were taken from you. You were not told where your kids were. There was no plans on how to reunite these families after. The government was so disorganized in this process they actually lost the documentation of which kids were whose. There are still children Trump separated that have not been reunited with their families from this program, six years later, largely due to either the incompetence or malice of the Trump administration's record keeping. The government seems to have even lost kids and somehow aren't even sure exactly how many kids they detained in this process. I'm sorry your media programming is preventing you from understanding the actual child separation crisis that happened which was committed by the Trump administration. This was the crisis for which Melania flew to Texas. It is pretty incredible to have someone accuse others of "media programming" when they don't even have basic knowledge of the topic at hand due to their own media sources white-washing atrocities and suggesting separating families with no plans for reunification by default for misdemeanor crimes is a good thing. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_administration_family_separation_policy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_administration_family_... Where does this say anything about DNA testing programs that were ended by the Biden administration? This program was ended before Biden was even elected. Unless you're trying to argue Biden was able to end a federal program in June 2018. I thought Trump was president in 2018, but maybe that's just my media programming.

borski 2y ago

Precisely. Couldn’t have said it better myself. Wear a jacket with the message all you want. But timing and context of the message matters. Even if I were an anarchist, I wouldn’t wear a “let’s burn it all down” jacket to the site of a massive fire either. Sometimes your message is less important than paying attention to your surroundings, especially as the First Lady. So yes, she deserved all the anger headed in her direction for that stunt, but the jacket wasn’t the issue. The context, timing, and absolute tone-deafness was.

vuln 2y ago

> towards the immigrant child separation crisis There was no _crisis_ I’m sorry your media did that to you and the potion of the population they whipped into a frenzy. I still remember the journalists using pictures from the previous administration. Effective propaganda to say the least.

vel0city 2y ago
That the policy or similar existed previously doesn't make what happened to those kids a crisis. Quite telling you think the government separating children from their families and losing track of a lot of them isn't considered a crisis. I don't care who does it, it's bad policy and losing them is unacceptable. Also, while "kids in detention facilities" happened in other administrations, the direct tactic of specifically separating families with no intention of later reunification was something unique to the Trump administration. The "kids in cages" during the Obama administration came across the border unaccompanied, the Trump policy was to separate families and then not tell the families where their kids were. I'm sorry you don't have the humanity enough to see the policy of child separation is wrong. I'm sorry your media brainwashing led you to think the cages built during the Obama administration was used for the exact same policies as the Trump administration, because they weren't.
- vuln 2y ago
  > The "kids in cages" during the Obama administration came across the border unaccompanied, the Trump policy was to separate families and then not tell the families where their kids were. Right, under Trump the kids were being used as pawns to get unknown non family members into the US hence the DNA testing and subsequent separation. There was a large influx of children being trafficked and abused in such manner. Biden ended Trump unaccompanied minor law and stopped rapid DNA testing. https://www.newsweek.com/joe-bidens-reversal-trumps-border-ban-solo-children-increases-cartel-profits-1576278 https://www.newsweek.com/joe-bidens-reversal-trumps-border-b... https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/us-detention-child-migrants https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/us-detention-child-migrants https://www.fairus.org/legislation/executive/biden-administration-jettisons-dna-testing-families-border https://www.fairus.org/legislation/executive/biden-administr...
  - vel0city 2y ago
    You're conflating two different things. FWIW, I'm generally pro rapid DNA testing of families crossing the border. I think they should be held together unless there's reasonable suspicion or a DNA test proves otherwise. The policy I'm talking about only lasted a few months, it wasn't something Biden changed. The child separation crisis was sparked by a zero tolerance policy for adults crossing the border. This meant if anyone crossed the border, even legitimate parents, the parents would immediately be sent to jail and the kids separated. So even if a DNA test would prove you were the parents, your children were taken from you. You were not told where your kids were. There was no plans on how to reunite these families after. The government was so disorganized in this process they actually lost the documentation of which kids were whose. There are still children Trump separated that have not been reunited with their families from this program, six years later, largely due to either the incompetence or malice of the Trump administration's record keeping. The government seems to have even lost kids and somehow aren't even sure exactly how many kids they detained in this process. I'm sorry your media programming is preventing you from understanding the actual child separation crisis that happened which was committed by the Trump administration. This was the crisis for which Melania flew to Texas. It is pretty incredible to have someone accuse others of "media programming" when they don't even have basic knowledge of the topic at hand due to their own media sources white-washing atrocities and suggesting separating families with no plans for reunification by default for misdemeanor crimes is a good thing. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_administration_family_separation_policy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_administration_family_... Where does this say anything about DNA testing programs that were ended by the Biden administration? This program was ended before Biden was even elected. Unless you're trying to argue Biden was able to end a federal program in June 2018. I thought Trump was president in 2018, but maybe that's just my media programming.