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Around a year or so ago, I made a new rule for myself: Stop giving money and support to people and organizations that openly show disdain for me. It originall

Around a year or so ago, I made a new rule for myself: Stop giving money and support to people and organizations that openly show disdain for me. It originally came from getting tired of watching (in this case, WoW) streamers talk about how stupid and out of touch “chat” (a group that includes me) is in one breath and then ask for support/subscriptions in the next, but I started applying it to the other things that I consume as well. In this case, here we have a very clear effort by lots of people to not be tracked, and Microsoft making concerted efforts to take away the thing they want for the purpose of making more money. It’s not feasible to be absolute in this - I still need to put gas in my car and eat, for example. But I find there’s a strangely good feeling to walking away from someone who’s making presumptions about their right to my time, attention, and money while spitting in my face, and I feel like I’m a normal enough person to be a reasonable barometer on that sentiment. So I guess my point is, I wonder how many times a company like Microsoft can spit in their customers faces before the average person decides to not be a customer anymore.

hulitu 2y ago
> But I find there’s a strangely good feeling to walking away from someone who’s making presumptions about their right to my time, attention, and money while spitting in my face, and I feel like I’m a normal enough person to be a reasonable barometer on that sentiment. This reminds of the dungeon scene in Monthy Python's Life of Brian. "Prisoner: Oh, what I wouldn't give to be spat at in the face. I sometimes hang awake at night dreaming of being spat at in the face. "
seoulmetro 2y ago
Stream chatters must be some of the weakest minded people I've ever come across. It's very sad.
- exsomet 2y ago
  I’m sure the dynamics of multiple people in an online chatroom and the effects on their mindset are well above my ability to understand, but I think it’s a lot simpler than that. Streaming is a business with the goal of getting people who walk into your (virtual) shop to give you their (subscription) money, just like every other business that has ever existed. The product being sold is the streamer’s personality and ability to entertain. If your business model involves insulting those people, I don’t think it’s really sensible or a good sign for the long term sustainability of that business to declare them weak minded when they predictably find that being insulted is not something they’d like to pay for. Then again, I’m not a streamer. Maybe they know something I don’t.
  - seoulmetro 2y ago
    People frequently enjoy being part of the joke if others are also part of the joke. I don't really think people who engage with this sad form of action have any cognitive load on why they are doing it.
rldjbpin 2y ago
definitely seen the streamer behaviour elsewhere but i would cut slack for WoW ones especially given how toxic the (in-game) chat is over there. jokes aside, it is not easy to enforce this policy with m$. very few windows or non-apple devices allow you to get it without the os. even if they do, you might still not get compensated for the subsidized rate the oem get windows for. all you can really do is not to use their email and chat services online i suppose. good luck doing anything about it if your workplace relies on Active Directory.

hulitu 2y ago

> But I find there’s a strangely good feeling to walking away from someone who’s making presumptions about their right to my time, attention, and money while spitting in my face, and I feel like I’m a normal enough person to be a reasonable barometer on that sentiment. This reminds of the dungeon scene in Monthy Python's Life of Brian. "Prisoner: Oh, what I wouldn't give to be spat at in the face. I sometimes hang awake at night dreaming of being spat at in the face. "

seoulmetro 2y ago

Stream chatters must be some of the weakest minded people I've ever come across. It's very sad.

exsomet 2y ago
I’m sure the dynamics of multiple people in an online chatroom and the effects on their mindset are well above my ability to understand, but I think it’s a lot simpler than that. Streaming is a business with the goal of getting people who walk into your (virtual) shop to give you their (subscription) money, just like every other business that has ever existed. The product being sold is the streamer’s personality and ability to entertain. If your business model involves insulting those people, I don’t think it’s really sensible or a good sign for the long term sustainability of that business to declare them weak minded when they predictably find that being insulted is not something they’d like to pay for. Then again, I’m not a streamer. Maybe they know something I don’t.
- seoulmetro 2y ago
  People frequently enjoy being part of the joke if others are also part of the joke. I don't really think people who engage with this sad form of action have any cognitive load on why they are doing it.

rldjbpin 2y ago

definitely seen the streamer behaviour elsewhere but i would cut slack for WoW ones especially given how toxic the (in-game) chat is over there. jokes aside, it is not easy to enforce this policy with m$. very few windows or non-apple devices allow you to get it without the os. even if they do, you might still not get compensated for the subsidized rate the oem get windows for. all you can really do is not to use their email and chat services online i suppose. good luck doing anything about it if your workplace relies on Active Directory.