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Do you know any other marketplace / reseller who puts a message: "By the way, if you book directly with the provider and cut us out, it will be cheaper"? I can

Do you know any other marketplace / reseller who puts a message: "By the way, if you book directly with the provider and cut us out, it will be cheaper"? I can fully understand Apple's position. They created the system that customers love, developers will have to pay something to get access to those customers. Apple doesn't have to explain to customers the value. Anybody who is buying or using an iPhone today knows what they're getting.

ffgjgf1 2y ago
> I can fully understand Apple's position They want to maximize their revenue, just like any other company and there is absolutely nothing else to it. > Anybody who is buying or using an iPhone today knows what they're getting. You don’t get to pick and choose which features do you want and most people don’t really care. Anybody who is buying or using an iPhone today knows what they're getting. That’s what allows Apple to abuse their position as a quasi-monopoly (as a platform for app developers adjusted by user spending they are effectively that in multiple markets).
- carlosjobim 2y ago
  It's repeated again and again among hackers that Apple is a monopoly. While selling less devices than their biggest competitor. While having a much smaller install base for their OS than Android. > They want to maximize their revenue, just like any other company and there is absolutely nothing else to it. Oh, I had no idea. > You don’t get to pick and choose which features do you want and most people don’t really care. What? Iphones have been around for more than a decade, it's well known among customers how they work and there are plenty of options from other manufacturers. Any store that can will take a cut from producers, whether that is a physical store like your local supermarket, or a digital store like Apple's. The question is why Apple users are so much more willing to spend money on software than users of other platforms, and why hackers hate that so much? How much money can an independent or boutique developer earn from Linux or Windows users, compared to Apple users?
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  - ffgjgf1 2y ago
    > While selling less devices than their biggest competitor That doesn’t matter that much (when taking about app developers) compared to how much money they are spending. A single iPhone user in the US and other rich countries is worth a dozen of Android users in India/African countries etc. Also even if not literally a monopoly they can effectively behave like a monopoly and abuse their position because no tech company targeting consumers can afford to not have an iOS app. > What? Iphones have been around for more than a decade, it's well known among customers how they work and there are plenty of options from other manufacturers. Not what I meant and not how it works. I’m using an iPhone in-spite of their abusive practices and restrictions because their other features/advantages compared to Android outweigh that in my case. It’s basically a shit sandwich… > why Apple users are so much more willing to spend money on software than users of other platforms Because they have more money? > How much money can an independent or boutique developer earn from Linux or Windows users, compared to Apple users? Yes, that exactly what I’m saying. Apple won (clearly because of the merits of their products) and now they can squeeze developers and consumers to a very high degree without any negative consequences. That’s how monopolies (of course it’s scale, Apple is not literally a monopoly, for that matter neither was Standard Oil back in 1906, they had a comparable market share to Apple these days) work regardless of how exactly they became one, they get to keep all the market surplus that would go to consumers in a more competitive market.
    - carlosjobim 2y ago
      > Because they have more money? I think this quote illustrates well your perspective and the general perspective of hackers here. Apple users spend more on software because they're just so dumb and don't know how to compile their apps and set up a self-hosted solution. I can only speak for myself, but I'm very happy to spend money on quality software that I need to solve real world problems, instead of suffering with low-quality FOSS or ad supported software just to save a few bucks. I prefer saving my headache instead, so that I can tinker because I choose to, not because I have to. I think most non-enterprise software customers think the same way. They want something to solve their needs and are fine to pay a fair price for that. So they buy Apple products and later iOS/MacOS software. If other tech companies cared at all about their product and their customers, they would do the same as Apple. But it's easier to sell to enterprise clients and spy on free users to sell ads instead.
HDThoreaun 2y ago
No, most people still do not know about how onerous the App Store rules are.
- talldayo 2y ago
  Nor how dangerous first-party services like iMessage still are, for zero-click exploits like Pegasus. The average iPhone user knows almost nothing about their device outside of what Apple directly markets to them as true.

ffgjgf1 2y ago

> I can fully understand Apple's position They want to maximize their revenue, just like any other company and there is absolutely nothing else to it. > Anybody who is buying or using an iPhone today knows what they're getting. You don’t get to pick and choose which features do you want and most people don’t really care. Anybody who is buying or using an iPhone today knows what they're getting. That’s what allows Apple to abuse their position as a quasi-monopoly (as a platform for app developers adjusted by user spending they are effectively that in multiple markets).

carlosjobim 2y ago
It's repeated again and again among hackers that Apple is a monopoly. While selling less devices than their biggest competitor. While having a much smaller install base for their OS than Android. > They want to maximize their revenue, just like any other company and there is absolutely nothing else to it. Oh, I had no idea. > You don’t get to pick and choose which features do you want and most people don’t really care. What? Iphones have been around for more than a decade, it's well known among customers how they work and there are plenty of options from other manufacturers. Any store that can will take a cut from producers, whether that is a physical store like your local supermarket, or a digital store like Apple's. The question is why Apple users are so much more willing to spend money on software than users of other platforms, and why hackers hate that so much? How much money can an independent or boutique developer earn from Linux or Windows users, compared to Apple users?
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- ffgjgf1 2y ago
  > While selling less devices than their biggest competitor That doesn’t matter that much (when taking about app developers) compared to how much money they are spending. A single iPhone user in the US and other rich countries is worth a dozen of Android users in India/African countries etc. Also even if not literally a monopoly they can effectively behave like a monopoly and abuse their position because no tech company targeting consumers can afford to not have an iOS app. > What? Iphones have been around for more than a decade, it's well known among customers how they work and there are plenty of options from other manufacturers. Not what I meant and not how it works. I’m using an iPhone in-spite of their abusive practices and restrictions because their other features/advantages compared to Android outweigh that in my case. It’s basically a shit sandwich… > why Apple users are so much more willing to spend money on software than users of other platforms Because they have more money? > How much money can an independent or boutique developer earn from Linux or Windows users, compared to Apple users? Yes, that exactly what I’m saying. Apple won (clearly because of the merits of their products) and now they can squeeze developers and consumers to a very high degree without any negative consequences. That’s how monopolies (of course it’s scale, Apple is not literally a monopoly, for that matter neither was Standard Oil back in 1906, they had a comparable market share to Apple these days) work regardless of how exactly they became one, they get to keep all the market surplus that would go to consumers in a more competitive market.
  - carlosjobim 2y ago
    > Because they have more money? I think this quote illustrates well your perspective and the general perspective of hackers here. Apple users spend more on software because they're just so dumb and don't know how to compile their apps and set up a self-hosted solution. I can only speak for myself, but I'm very happy to spend money on quality software that I need to solve real world problems, instead of suffering with low-quality FOSS or ad supported software just to save a few bucks. I prefer saving my headache instead, so that I can tinker because I choose to, not because I have to. I think most non-enterprise software customers think the same way. They want something to solve their needs and are fine to pay a fair price for that. So they buy Apple products and later iOS/MacOS software. If other tech companies cared at all about their product and their customers, they would do the same as Apple. But it's easier to sell to enterprise clients and spy on free users to sell ads instead.

HDThoreaun 2y ago

No, most people still do not know about how onerous the App Store rules are.

talldayo 2y ago
Nor how dangerous first-party services like iMessage still are, for zero-click exploits like Pegasus. The average iPhone user knows almost nothing about their device outside of what Apple directly markets to them as true.