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Worth noting - it was 115 the other day in PHX. I’m not sure who lives at Culdesac, but my guess is they’re child-free part time AZ residents.

bee_rider 2y ago
I wouldn’t be surprised if they skew younger, intuitively younger people might be more open to new types of living situations. But a car-free neighborhood seems like a good place to meet people (spend more time out and about instead of just in your car, isolated from everybody around you). And, if one does meet somebody and start a family, it seems like a great place to have kids since they’ll be less likely to be run over, and the amenities for people who can’t drive should be better developed. Of course the heat is a problem but I guess that’s a problem for all of Arizona.
- nervousvarun 2y ago
  After watching the video, the car-free aspects seem a little disingenuous? It’s an apartment complex with a single large parking lot on one side (rather than with separated units surrounded by parking as in most U.S. apartments). So tenants can and do have cars, they just can’t drive/park them next to their units. And the apartments are mixed use w/ commercial stores…but that’s not really novel either. They do get discounts on ride shares, a free e-bike, and do have a walkable complex that’s safer for families and kids so it does seem like improvement overall.
  - bee_rider 2y ago
    I know what you mean, but practically if they provide a bunch of services that primarily help people without cars, and they don’t allow them in the complex, how much more ingenious (is that a real word? Haha) could they get? I mean it would be quite odd if your apartment complex could dictate to you: no, you can’t have a car off our property either.
- wongarsu 2y ago
  Their marketing material only shows young people, so that's at least the image they want to project. But I imagine there is a bimodal distribution. If you are 30-50 and busy with building your own family you might see fewer advantages in a place like this (it's a great place to let the kids run free, but that's culturally less acceptable in the US). But once the kids are out of the house you will start appreciate a community like this again. It's probably even more important for old people since they have fewer alternatives to meet people or just sit outside with friends.

bee_rider 2y ago

I wouldn’t be surprised if they skew younger, intuitively younger people might be more open to new types of living situations. But a car-free neighborhood seems like a good place to meet people (spend more time out and about instead of just in your car, isolated from everybody around you). And, if one does meet somebody and start a family, it seems like a great place to have kids since they’ll be less likely to be run over, and the amenities for people who can’t drive should be better developed. Of course the heat is a problem but I guess that’s a problem for all of Arizona.

nervousvarun 2y ago
After watching the video, the car-free aspects seem a little disingenuous? It’s an apartment complex with a single large parking lot on one side (rather than with separated units surrounded by parking as in most U.S. apartments). So tenants can and do have cars, they just can’t drive/park them next to their units. And the apartments are mixed use w/ commercial stores…but that’s not really novel either. They do get discounts on ride shares, a free e-bike, and do have a walkable complex that’s safer for families and kids so it does seem like improvement overall.
- bee_rider 2y ago
  I know what you mean, but practically if they provide a bunch of services that primarily help people without cars, and they don’t allow them in the complex, how much more ingenious (is that a real word? Haha) could they get? I mean it would be quite odd if your apartment complex could dictate to you: no, you can’t have a car off our property either.
wongarsu 2y ago
Their marketing material only shows young people, so that's at least the image they want to project. But I imagine there is a bimodal distribution. If you are 30-50 and busy with building your own family you might see fewer advantages in a place like this (it's a great place to let the kids run free, but that's culturally less acceptable in the US). But once the kids are out of the house you will start appreciate a community like this again. It's probably even more important for old people since they have fewer alternatives to meet people or just sit outside with friends.