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But hang on, your original comment was slating Linux for people saying that it was an escape for the past 30 years. It is now an escape for an ever increasing a

by Zhyl 2y ago

But hang on, your original comment was slating Linux for people saying that it was an escape for the past 30 years. It is now an escape for an ever increasing audience and set of use cases, and you're saying that these new people who have to this point not had any issues with running Windows games won't be able to "escape" because they'd have to play Windows games? Have some consistency.

pjmlp 2y ago
2% after 30 years is hardly an ever increasing audience. Proton is not an escape when it is still Windows software, using Windows APIs, written by companies targeting Windows customers.
- Zhyl 2y ago
  I love how you leapt on 'audience' there and didn't want to refute use cases. Also leaning on that '30 year' figure. Funny. The Steam Deck has sold millions of units (increase in audience) and now supports 89% of the top 1000 games at Silver and above (increase in use case). 2% is indeed an increase from where it started in 2018, but it goes to show how many Windows machines are out there that the % isn't higher. I don't really understand your position. You're vehemently against any Windows code or games running at all and want to belittle, minimise or dismiss any progress that has been made. It feels like you're arguing in bad faith.
  - pjmlp 2y ago
    What use cases? That Linux gamers are so starving for Linux native games that they have to contend with running Windows games via an API translation layer? Not even studios that target other POSIX platforms bother targeting GNU/Linux natively. SteamDeck sales are a drop in the ocean of Switch, Playstation, XBox, and Windows PC sales, if you feeling like going into war numbers. But hey, enjoy your "Linux" games.
    - Zhyl 2y ago
      I will, thank you
- tapoxi 2y ago
  I mean sure it's not using native APIs, but many developers are specifically targeting Steam Deck to get a Steam Deck Verified label and show up prominently on the Steam Store. So despite developing for Windows, they are doing QA on Linux.

by Zhyl 2y ago

pjmlp 2y ago

2% after 30 years is hardly an ever increasing audience. Proton is not an escape when it is still Windows software, using Windows APIs, written by companies targeting Windows customers.

Zhyl 2y ago
I love how you leapt on 'audience' there and didn't want to refute use cases. Also leaning on that '30 year' figure. Funny. The Steam Deck has sold millions of units (increase in audience) and now supports 89% of the top 1000 games at Silver and above (increase in use case). 2% is indeed an increase from where it started in 2018, but it goes to show how many Windows machines are out there that the % isn't higher. I don't really understand your position. You're vehemently against any Windows code or games running at all and want to belittle, minimise or dismiss any progress that has been made. It feels like you're arguing in bad faith.
- pjmlp 2y ago
  What use cases? That Linux gamers are so starving for Linux native games that they have to contend with running Windows games via an API translation layer? Not even studios that target other POSIX platforms bother targeting GNU/Linux natively. SteamDeck sales are a drop in the ocean of Switch, Playstation, XBox, and Windows PC sales, if you feeling like going into war numbers. But hey, enjoy your "Linux" games.
  - Zhyl 2y ago
    I will, thank you
tapoxi 2y ago
I mean sure it's not using native APIs, but many developers are specifically targeting Steam Deck to get a Steam Deck Verified label and show up prominently on the Steam Store. So despite developing for Windows, they are doing QA on Linux.