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One obstacle is that at least one of the major console vendors prohibits using anything other than C++ plus their official compiler. So shipping on that platfor

by kg 2y ago

One obstacle is that at least one of the major console vendors prohibits using anything other than C++ plus their official compiler. So shipping on that platform using i.e. Rust, Swift, C# is currently against the rules. (Unity gets an out here since they compile C# down to C++ using IL2CPP.) I expect some studios are just quietly breaking the rule and not telling anyone, but I'd be worried, personally.

grafs50 2y ago
Which console vendor is that?
- kevingadd 2y ago
  They get really upset if you disclose things like that :)
  - Thegn 2y ago
    My gut says Nintendo, because Microsoft doesn't give a shit what you use as long as you write for them, and Sony doesn't feel like they'd be that petty.
    - neonsunset 2y ago
      You can ship games for Nintendo with private modification of NativeAOT + FNA: https://viridiansoftware.com/blog/csharp-on-game-consoles https://viridiansoftware.com/blog/csharp-on-game-consoles
    - dewbrite 2y ago
      But Microsoft _does_ have a widely known C++ compiler. I doubt Sony does. Does Nintendo?
- jdright 2y ago
  Sony
watermelon0 2y ago
What would the reasoning for such a decision be?
vrmiguel 2y ago
CrossCode was written in JS/HTML5 and was ported over to consoles just fine, though. They mention stuff like "an interpreter which translates the [JavaScript] code but locks it up in a cage"¹, their presentation² mention JS interpreters and a JS AoT compiler, so I'm not really sure how they did it ¹: https://www.radicalfishgames.com/?p=6892 https://www.radicalfishgames.com/?p=6892 ²: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfBzlzvt8RU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfBzlzvt8RU
Thaxll 2y ago
People outside of the industry woudn't believe how it is to work with first party such as Sony, just to get SDK / api / documentation / forums access you need to have a very complicated process that involves public IP whitelisting etc.. https://www.scedev.net/index.html https://www.scedev.net/index.html
- Animats 2y ago
  Even NVidia's GeForce Now cloud gaming service is like that. I tried to get a developer account and they wanted US$10,000 just to talk. It's not like getting an AWS account.

by kg 2y ago

grafs50 2y ago

Which console vendor is that?

kevingadd 2y ago
They get really upset if you disclose things like that :)
- Thegn 2y ago
  My gut says Nintendo, because Microsoft doesn't give a shit what you use as long as you write for them, and Sony doesn't feel like they'd be that petty.
  - neonsunset 2y ago
    You can ship games for Nintendo with private modification of NativeAOT + FNA: https://viridiansoftware.com/blog/csharp-on-game-consoles https://viridiansoftware.com/blog/csharp-on-game-consoles
  - dewbrite 2y ago
    But Microsoft _does_ have a widely known C++ compiler. I doubt Sony does. Does Nintendo?
jdright 2y ago
Sony

watermelon0 2y ago

What would the reasoning for such a decision be?

vrmiguel 2y ago

CrossCode was written in JS/HTML5 and was ported over to consoles just fine, though. They mention stuff like "an interpreter which translates the [JavaScript] code but locks it up in a cage"¹, their presentation² mention JS interpreters and a JS AoT compiler, so I'm not really sure how they did it ¹: https://www.radicalfishgames.com/?p=6892 https://www.radicalfishgames.com/?p=6892 ²: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfBzlzvt8RU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfBzlzvt8RU

Thaxll 2y ago

People outside of the industry woudn't believe how it is to work with first party such as Sony, just to get SDK / api / documentation / forums access you need to have a very complicated process that involves public IP whitelisting etc.. https://www.scedev.net/index.html https://www.scedev.net/index.html

Animats 2y ago
Even NVidia's GeForce Now cloud gaming service is like that. I tried to get a developer account and they wanted US$10,000 just to talk. It's not like getting an AWS account.