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> they think if they drag their feet on this, maybe regulators won't come for other things. This. EU politicians and EU voters want the EU to crack down on f

> they think if they drag their feet on this, maybe regulators won't come for other things. This. EU politicians and EU voters want the EU to crack down on foreign tech companies who abuse users data rights, use monopolies to push EU companies out of the market, and use accounting tricks to barely pay any taxes. Therefore, the EU has to be fining Apple and Google for something. If not this, then it'll be something else.

IsTom 2y ago
EU's single biggest win is free and open Single Market and it will fight to keep it so. It doesn't matter where companies come from – if you look at e.g. GDPR enforcement tracker you'll see they're as eager to keep internal EU companies in line.
- robertfall 2y ago
  Yea, but that's not so true for the DMA. They're only targeting foreign companies using it.
  - martimarkov 2y ago
    Any evidence for this? Which big domestic company is a gatekeeper and not being targeted by the EU?
    - burnerthrow008 2y ago
      Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. See, the problem is that if I name one as an example, you will just fall back to silly games like "but the EU defined the term 'gatekeeper' in such a way that your example does not count". It does not matter whether the market dynamics are the same as the defined gatekeepers, whether the market shares are similar, or anything like that. Your side will shut down any debate with logic such as that. So why bother engaging? It's like arguing with a hardcore religious person about god. "Oh, but that's not what I meant by 'god'".
      - p_j_w 2y ago
        This just sounds like you don't have any examples. >It does not matter whether the market dynamics are the same as the defined gatekeepers Perhaps then find an example where this is the case.
    - deleted 2y ago
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  - buzer 2y ago
    Initially all companies that were defined as gatekeepers under DMA were foreign, but on 13.5.2024 Booking.com was designated as one as well. They are a Dutch company.
xandrius 2y ago
Let's not make it some sort of agenda out the EU: these companies are out just for themselves and however much someone likes their tech/philosophy/ecosystem, their practices are bullshit and unfair.
- _justinfunk 2y ago
  If Apple gets to have an nefarious agenda, then the EU may have one as well.
  - xandrius 2y ago
    One is a for-profit company known for anti-competitive and cut-throat techniques, as well as expert in tax dodging over the world. The other is a governmental group formed by 27 rather different countries, all having a wide range of philosophies, cultures, corruption and mentalities. I know which one I am more likely to get some level-headed decision which might help me.
  - hkt 2y ago
    The EU at the cutting edge of competition law, which is to say it is looking actively at the competitive landscape and saying "what are the problems?" then moving doctrine along to solve them. There's a lot to be said for the approach. If the EU can be said to have an agenda, it is clear from the rules - their agenda is market fairness, and the ability of new entrants to successfully compete. The DMA is a key plank of that, but there will be others.
  - izacus 2y ago
    I know it might be not be an obvious difference for people living in US these days, but there's in fact a massive difference between a megacorporation and elected government.
    - _justinfunk 2y ago
      Who did you vote for in the EU? When were those elections?
SSLy 2y ago
forget not the stick is also levied towards domestic to EU companies. starting with Booking.com
- Bud 2y ago
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naravara 2y ago
> EU politicians and EU voters want the EU to crack down on foreign tech companies EU tech companies want the EU to crack down on foreign tech companies. The Digital Markets Act’s standards for considering someone a “gatekeeper” seems like it was specifically tailored to exclude Spotify while binding Apple, Google, and Facebook.
- arlcode 2y ago
  There is plenty of competition in Spotify's market.Music is a commodity and the market is working Just fine. Btw Netflix also isn't a gatekeeper and neither are Disney, salesforce or Oracle to name a few.
- ImPostingOnHN 2y ago
  > The Digital Markets Act’s standards for considering someone a “gatekeeper” seems like it was specifically tailored to exclude Spotify while binding Apple, Google, and Facebook. A glance at that list of 4 companies will quickly lead a person to the intuitive observation that 1 of those companies is not like the other. It's hard to see how one would classify Spotify as a "Gatekeeper" in the sense that the others are, so perhaps your observation is by design: Why would we expect the legal definition of ”Gatekeeper" to include Spotify, if Spotify is not a gatekeeper even on a common-sense level?
- sensanaty 2y ago
  How is Spotify a gatekeeper? There's iTunes, Deezer, YouTube Music, Tidal and many, many, many other music providers.
ffgjgf1 2y ago
It’s one of the few benefits of EU being a complete backwater when it comes to software and consumer tech products. There will be very little harm to EU’s economy since almost all of the profits are being sent to the US anyway. Also this/GDPR/etc. is a form of protectionism (not that I see anything wrong with that to a limited extent) which will hopefully give at least some slight competitive advantage to EU tech companies (since they really do need it) and maybe a bit more crumbs to fight over.

IsTom 2y ago

EU's single biggest win is free and open Single Market and it will fight to keep it so. It doesn't matter where companies come from – if you look at e.g. GDPR enforcement tracker you'll see they're as eager to keep internal EU companies in line.

robertfall 2y ago
Yea, but that's not so true for the DMA. They're only targeting foreign companies using it.
- martimarkov 2y ago
  Any evidence for this? Which big domestic company is a gatekeeper and not being targeted by the EU?
  - burnerthrow008 2y ago
    Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. See, the problem is that if I name one as an example, you will just fall back to silly games like "but the EU defined the term 'gatekeeper' in such a way that your example does not count". It does not matter whether the market dynamics are the same as the defined gatekeepers, whether the market shares are similar, or anything like that. Your side will shut down any debate with logic such as that. So why bother engaging? It's like arguing with a hardcore religious person about god. "Oh, but that's not what I meant by 'god'".
    - p_j_w 2y ago
      This just sounds like you don't have any examples. >It does not matter whether the market dynamics are the same as the defined gatekeepers Perhaps then find an example where this is the case.
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
- buzer 2y ago
  Initially all companies that were defined as gatekeepers under DMA were foreign, but on 13.5.2024 Booking.com was designated as one as well. They are a Dutch company.

xandrius 2y ago

Let's not make it some sort of agenda out the EU: these companies are out just for themselves and however much someone likes their tech/philosophy/ecosystem, their practices are bullshit and unfair.

_justinfunk 2y ago
If Apple gets to have an nefarious agenda, then the EU may have one as well.
- xandrius 2y ago
  One is a for-profit company known for anti-competitive and cut-throat techniques, as well as expert in tax dodging over the world. The other is a governmental group formed by 27 rather different countries, all having a wide range of philosophies, cultures, corruption and mentalities. I know which one I am more likely to get some level-headed decision which might help me.
- hkt 2y ago
  The EU at the cutting edge of competition law, which is to say it is looking actively at the competitive landscape and saying "what are the problems?" then moving doctrine along to solve them. There's a lot to be said for the approach. If the EU can be said to have an agenda, it is clear from the rules - their agenda is market fairness, and the ability of new entrants to successfully compete. The DMA is a key plank of that, but there will be others.
- izacus 2y ago
  I know it might be not be an obvious difference for people living in US these days, but there's in fact a massive difference between a megacorporation and elected government.
  - _justinfunk 2y ago
    Who did you vote for in the EU? When were those elections?

SSLy 2y ago

forget not the stick is also levied towards domestic to EU companies. starting with Booking.com

Bud 2y ago
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naravara 2y ago

> EU politicians and EU voters want the EU to crack down on foreign tech companies EU tech companies want the EU to crack down on foreign tech companies. The Digital Markets Act’s standards for considering someone a “gatekeeper” seems like it was specifically tailored to exclude Spotify while binding Apple, Google, and Facebook.

arlcode 2y ago
There is plenty of competition in Spotify's market.Music is a commodity and the market is working Just fine. Btw Netflix also isn't a gatekeeper and neither are Disney, salesforce or Oracle to name a few.
ImPostingOnHN 2y ago
> The Digital Markets Act’s standards for considering someone a “gatekeeper” seems like it was specifically tailored to exclude Spotify while binding Apple, Google, and Facebook. A glance at that list of 4 companies will quickly lead a person to the intuitive observation that 1 of those companies is not like the other. It's hard to see how one would classify Spotify as a "Gatekeeper" in the sense that the others are, so perhaps your observation is by design: Why would we expect the legal definition of ”Gatekeeper" to include Spotify, if Spotify is not a gatekeeper even on a common-sense level?
sensanaty 2y ago
How is Spotify a gatekeeper? There's iTunes, Deezer, YouTube Music, Tidal and many, many, many other music providers.

ffgjgf1 2y ago

It’s one of the few benefits of EU being a complete backwater when it comes to software and consumer tech products. There will be very little harm to EU’s economy since almost all of the profits are being sent to the US anyway. Also this/GDPR/etc. is a form of protectionism (not that I see anything wrong with that to a limited extent) which will hopefully give at least some slight competitive advantage to EU tech companies (since they really do need it) and maybe a bit more crumbs to fight over.