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Society should evaluate which devices actually need to run on batteries. It makes me feel odd if i have to replace the batteries in a wall clock that is like ha

Society should evaluate which devices actually need to run on batteries. It makes me feel odd if i have to replace the batteries in a wall clock that is like half a meter next to a power socket. Wall clocks never get moved around...

dgan 2y ago
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- FpUser 2y ago
  We do have various regulations. More of those come each year. Have nothing to do with communism. Alternatively - "capitalize profits and socialize losses" is just as bad I think and looks very "communistic".
  - admissionsguy 2y ago
    The gradual increase in regulation and the corresponding size of the government has everything to do with communism. How do you think we have reached 40% in marginal income tax rates?
    - ses1984 2y ago
      Gtfo. Tax rates are much higher in other nations with a higher standard of living. Tax rates used to be much higher on higher income earners when our standard of living was relatively higher. I’m not necessarily saying we should increase taxes (we should) but your citation of that statistic means nothing.
      - robertlagrant 2y ago
        You're using a different benchmark: standard of living. I'm not sure it's a good one, given it isn't necessarily that linked to taxes, but either way, you're not arguing that the government taxing more doesn't look a lot like the communist countries of the 20th century (which is what I assume what the OP meant by "communist").
        admissionsguy 2y ago
        Pretty much. Communism is one end of a spectrum where the governments controls the entire economic activity. When the government manages 40% of my earnings, we are 40% there (to first order approximation, of course there are other factors).
        FpUser 2y ago
        Rich do not pay 40%. Not anywhere close. Workers do. We have a system that penalizes workers explicitly and let exploiters get away. It is crony capitalism and has nothing to do with the communism which as was defined had never materialized anywhere.
        ses1984 2y ago
        But since you’re not rich and you pay the peasant tax rate of 40%, you’re 25% closer to communism than rich people who pay about 15%, to a first approximation. Checkmate, liberal.
        admissionsguy 2y ago
        It is striking how thoughtless and vitriolic the left has become. Doesn't bode well for November, does it?
        ses1984 2y ago
        Calling the left thoughtless and vitriolic, that’s rich.
        robertlagrant 2y ago
        Why's that?
        ses1984 2y ago
      - itsoktocry 2y ago
        >Tax rates are much higher in other nations with a higher standard of living. The usual suspects, I assume? As a Canadian, whose country appears on these lists: yeah, sure.
    - FpUser 2y ago
      Well if you want deregulation I'll start with all that land and patents owned by big corporations. Why the fuck should I pay money for some invention if I can come up with the one myself? Why some fuckers restricted my freedom of movement?
glimshe 2y ago
If externalities such as disposal costs are built in the price, it will be easier for people to decide...
- robertlagrant 2y ago
  You can't hand-wave it as "pricing in externalities". What disposal method should be priced in? In theory, disposal could add $0.05 to the price of a battery, by making drive to the official Battery Fire, tossing it in, and driving back, all the way to making it cost $50000 whereby someone will drive to your house to get the battery, and then over the course of the next 6 months lovingly disassemble it to remove each component and chemical without producing any waste, or anything in between. What do?
- blueflow 2y ago
  Or maybe people should consider "Do i want to maintain this for its lifetime" before buying it.
janci 2y ago
Very bad example. Wall clock battery can last a decade. Any isolated power supply will waste much more energy. Also the clock will stop when the power is out.
- everdrive 2y ago
  That may be a bad example, but your analysis seems valuable. Can you think of some easy cases where batteries make sense vs. where they should be avoided?
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- blueflow 2y ago
  Sorry if i do not have better examples. I do not like to replace batteries so i didn't buy many devices that would require it.
- FeloniousHam 2y ago
  Not to mention the obvious aesthetic issue of a wire running down your wall. This is big part of wireless everything.
lm28469 2y ago
I've seen battery powered shavers that refuse to work while being charged, so instead of having a failure mode that allow it to be used while wired, you have to throw away the whole thing, these should be illegal
- dmurray 2y ago
  That at least sounds like it's plausibly for safety reasons, don't go splashing water around the thing plugged into a live socket. It's much weirder when Apple makes the same design decision for a mouse.
  - nordsieck 2y ago
    > That at least sounds like it's plausibly for safety reasons, don't go splashing water around the thing plugged into a live socket. Do many people even use electric shavers wet? That just seems like a bad idea to me - you want the hairs to be as stiff as possible, and getting them wet does the opposite. I know some of them are advertised that way, so I guess some people do it. But it just seems weird to me. Blade based razors make sense to shave wet with - you're typically using some sort of foam to keep the hairs elevated. But I've never heard of anyone using shaving cream with an electric.
  - ben_w 2y ago
    No shaver sockets where you live? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_power_plugs_and_sockets:_British_and_related_types#BS_4573_.28UK_shaver.29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_power_plugs_and_sockets:_Br...
dailykoder 2y ago
Not only that, but evaluate which things actually need to be """smart""". People literally scream at their super smart electronics because it doesn't flip the light switch which would've taken you 2 seconds by hand and wouldn't have sent thousands of bytes over the internet Edit: I also agree that a clock is a rather bad example (obviously depends on your clock)

dgan 2y ago

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FpUser 2y ago
We do have various regulations. More of those come each year. Have nothing to do with communism. Alternatively - "capitalize profits and socialize losses" is just as bad I think and looks very "communistic".
- admissionsguy 2y ago
  The gradual increase in regulation and the corresponding size of the government has everything to do with communism. How do you think we have reached 40% in marginal income tax rates?
  - ses1984 2y ago
    Gtfo. Tax rates are much higher in other nations with a higher standard of living. Tax rates used to be much higher on higher income earners when our standard of living was relatively higher. I’m not necessarily saying we should increase taxes (we should) but your citation of that statistic means nothing.
    - robertlagrant 2y ago
      You're using a different benchmark: standard of living. I'm not sure it's a good one, given it isn't necessarily that linked to taxes, but either way, you're not arguing that the government taxing more doesn't look a lot like the communist countries of the 20th century (which is what I assume what the OP meant by "communist").
      - admissionsguy 2y ago
        Pretty much. Communism is one end of a spectrum where the governments controls the entire economic activity. When the government manages 40% of my earnings, we are 40% there (to first order approximation, of course there are other factors).
        FpUser 2y ago
        Rich do not pay 40%. Not anywhere close. Workers do. We have a system that penalizes workers explicitly and let exploiters get away. It is crony capitalism and has nothing to do with the communism which as was defined had never materialized anywhere.
        ses1984 2y ago
        But since you’re not rich and you pay the peasant tax rate of 40%, you’re 25% closer to communism than rich people who pay about 15%, to a first approximation. Checkmate, liberal.
        admissionsguy 2y ago
        It is striking how thoughtless and vitriolic the left has become. Doesn't bode well for November, does it?
        ses1984 2y ago
        Calling the left thoughtless and vitriolic, that’s rich.
        robertlagrant 2y ago
        Why's that?
        ses1984 2y ago
    - itsoktocry 2y ago
      >Tax rates are much higher in other nations with a higher standard of living. The usual suspects, I assume? As a Canadian, whose country appears on these lists: yeah, sure.
  - FpUser 2y ago
    Well if you want deregulation I'll start with all that land and patents owned by big corporations. Why the fuck should I pay money for some invention if I can come up with the one myself? Why some fuckers restricted my freedom of movement?

glimshe 2y ago

If externalities such as disposal costs are built in the price, it will be easier for people to decide...

robertlagrant 2y ago
You can't hand-wave it as "pricing in externalities". What disposal method should be priced in? In theory, disposal could add $0.05 to the price of a battery, by making drive to the official Battery Fire, tossing it in, and driving back, all the way to making it cost $50000 whereby someone will drive to your house to get the battery, and then over the course of the next 6 months lovingly disassemble it to remove each component and chemical without producing any waste, or anything in between. What do?
blueflow 2y ago
Or maybe people should consider "Do i want to maintain this for its lifetime" before buying it.

janci 2y ago

Very bad example. Wall clock battery can last a decade. Any isolated power supply will waste much more energy. Also the clock will stop when the power is out.

everdrive 2y ago
That may be a bad example, but your analysis seems valuable. Can you think of some easy cases where batteries make sense vs. where they should be avoided?
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blueflow 2y ago
Sorry if i do not have better examples. I do not like to replace batteries so i didn't buy many devices that would require it.
FeloniousHam 2y ago
Not to mention the obvious aesthetic issue of a wire running down your wall. This is big part of wireless everything.

lm28469 2y ago

I've seen battery powered shavers that refuse to work while being charged, so instead of having a failure mode that allow it to be used while wired, you have to throw away the whole thing, these should be illegal

dmurray 2y ago
That at least sounds like it's plausibly for safety reasons, don't go splashing water around the thing plugged into a live socket. It's much weirder when Apple makes the same design decision for a mouse.
- nordsieck 2y ago
  > That at least sounds like it's plausibly for safety reasons, don't go splashing water around the thing plugged into a live socket. Do many people even use electric shavers wet? That just seems like a bad idea to me - you want the hairs to be as stiff as possible, and getting them wet does the opposite. I know some of them are advertised that way, so I guess some people do it. But it just seems weird to me. Blade based razors make sense to shave wet with - you're typically using some sort of foam to keep the hairs elevated. But I've never heard of anyone using shaving cream with an electric.
- ben_w 2y ago
  No shaver sockets where you live? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_power_plugs_and_sockets:_British_and_related_types#BS_4573_.28UK_shaver.29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_power_plugs_and_sockets:_Br...

dailykoder 2y ago

Not only that, but evaluate which things actually need to be """smart""". People literally scream at their super smart electronics because it doesn't flip the light switch which would've taken you 2 seconds by hand and wouldn't have sent thousands of bytes over the internet Edit: I also agree that a clock is a rather bad example (obviously depends on your clock)