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Eating too late is unhealthy, but that is not the same as skipping breakfast. Eating too late or too early both have negative results. The first paper says: "

by xcv123 2y ago

Eating too late is unhealthy, but that is not the same as skipping breakfast. Eating too late or too early both have negative results. The first paper says: "Unlike lunch and dinner, which are recommended early in the day, it has been proved that to have breakfast too early may be deleterious due to melatonin levels, which may still be high in the early morning." The second paper references a 12 week randomized controlled trial that shows that it is good to skip breakfast, eating within a time restricted window (12:00 - 20:00). Personally I usually aim for a TRE of 12:00 - 17:00 and that has worked well for me over the past 15 years. Skip breakfast, early dinner, as recommended by those papers. I feel lethargic and tired if I eat breakfast. Listen to your body.

nikkwong 2y ago
The first paper is not making the claim that eating breakfast is unhealthy—just that you don't want to eat right as you wake up. These are different things. The second paper references two different studies where, when people at more than 33% or 50% of their calories for dinner, they were more likely to be obese. I agree that eating from noon to 5pm can be an optimal eating window, but you are going to have to eat a large amount of food at noon and a relatively small meal at an early dinner if you're not eating breakfast. That's possible for some people; but I think the vast majority of people prefer to eat 3 meals a day and are better off consuming the bulk of the calories earlier. My personal experience with people that skip breakfast: they tend to have a moderately large lunch and a moderately large dinner, which is probably not optimal. And that's because when delaying food intake in the morning, they tend to grow relatively hungrier as the day progresses.
- xcv123 2y ago
  One thing the papers show is there is a natural rhythm of hormones and metabolism, which is adaptable to some extent, and you just need to listen to your body. But if you are addicted to sugar / excessive carbs, and don't exercise, then playing around with meal times is just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. Your body signals are malfunctioning. Personally I have found a moderate size lunch and larger dinner, with a snack or two before or after dinner, is just perfect. Most people don't need three full meals a day. With moderate carbs I never go into a food coma. Worst is eating a large breakfast which makes you feel tired just when you are starting the day and trying to be productive. If you have trained your body to burn fat (moderate or low carb diet) then you will be running on fat reserves efficiently through the day until the first meal.
  - nikkwong 2y ago
    Yeah, I agree with your assessment here. The statement "breakfast is the most important meal of the day" is a bit hyperbolic given all of the nuances introduced. But, still, at the end of the day, clinical recommendations have to be made; and physicians have to talk to patients in a very straightforward and un-nuanced manner. I still think the adage, breakfast being the most important meal of the day, can ring true for most people; as placeholder advice to "try to eat more earlier". The statements are not synonymous as you've pointed out; but my goal was to plant a flag because I think most people throw the baby out with the bathwater when they decide to skip breakfast (i.e they tend to consume too many calories too late).

by xcv123 2y ago

nikkwong 2y ago

The first paper is not making the claim that eating breakfast is unhealthy—just that you don't want to eat right as you wake up. These are different things. The second paper references two different studies where, when people at more than 33% or 50% of their calories for dinner, they were more likely to be obese. I agree that eating from noon to 5pm can be an optimal eating window, but you are going to have to eat a large amount of food at noon and a relatively small meal at an early dinner if you're not eating breakfast. That's possible for some people; but I think the vast majority of people prefer to eat 3 meals a day and are better off consuming the bulk of the calories earlier. My personal experience with people that skip breakfast: they tend to have a moderately large lunch and a moderately large dinner, which is probably not optimal. And that's because when delaying food intake in the morning, they tend to grow relatively hungrier as the day progresses.

xcv123 2y ago
One thing the papers show is there is a natural rhythm of hormones and metabolism, which is adaptable to some extent, and you just need to listen to your body. But if you are addicted to sugar / excessive carbs, and don't exercise, then playing around with meal times is just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. Your body signals are malfunctioning. Personally I have found a moderate size lunch and larger dinner, with a snack or two before or after dinner, is just perfect. Most people don't need three full meals a day. With moderate carbs I never go into a food coma. Worst is eating a large breakfast which makes you feel tired just when you are starting the day and trying to be productive. If you have trained your body to burn fat (moderate or low carb diet) then you will be running on fat reserves efficiently through the day until the first meal.
- nikkwong 2y ago
  Yeah, I agree with your assessment here. The statement "breakfast is the most important meal of the day" is a bit hyperbolic given all of the nuances introduced. But, still, at the end of the day, clinical recommendations have to be made; and physicians have to talk to patients in a very straightforward and un-nuanced manner. I still think the adage, breakfast being the most important meal of the day, can ring true for most people; as placeholder advice to "try to eat more earlier". The statements are not synonymous as you've pointed out; but my goal was to plant a flag because I think most people throw the baby out with the bathwater when they decide to skip breakfast (i.e they tend to consume too many calories too late).