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I love this kind of project. A lot of states are working on legislation that includes requirements for watermarking AI generated content. But it seldom defines

by causal 2y ago

I love this kind of project. A lot of states are working on legislation that includes requirements for watermarking AI generated content. But it seldom defines AI with any rigor, making me wonder if soon everyone will need to label everything as made with AI to be on the safe side, kinda like prop 65 warnings.

tyingq 2y ago
I'm guessing we'll just end with every website has a button where you have to accept: [ all cookies and ai stuff ]
omoikane 2y ago
This is not quite like the "AI" that's hyped in recent years, the key component is OpenCV and it has been around for decades. Few years ago, this might have been called Machine Learning (ML) instead of Artificial Intelligence (AI).
- rzzzt 2y ago
  You have discovered a secret area of my personalized "pet peeves" level: just a few days ago I saw an article (maybe video) about how "AI" tracks you in a restaurant. Screenshot was from an OpenCV-based app with a bounding box around each person, it counted how many people are in the establishment, who is a waiter and who is a customer, and how long they have been there.
  - level1ten 2y ago
    Image recognition is AI.
    - rzzzt 2y ago
      Maybe it is easier to define what isn't AI? Toshiba's handwritten postal code recognizers from the 1970s? Fuzzy logic in washing machines that adjusts the pre-programmed cycle based on laundry weight and dirtyness?
      - singpolyma3 2y ago
        Those both sound like AI to me An example of similar computer can do that isn't AI would be arithmetic
        rzzzt 2y ago
        Adding two numbers, each having 100 digits? Reciting the fractional part of Π on and on? I have only seen that done by talented people appearing in TV shows. Seems AI.
      - ska 2y ago
        Historically, we often call something AI while we don’t really understand how it works. After that it quietly gets subsumed into machine learning or another area and called X algorithm.
    - mysterymath 2y ago
      There's an old saying: "Yesterday's AI is today's algorithm". Few would consider A* search for route-planning or Alpha-Beta pruning for game playing to be "Capital A Captial I" today, but they absolutely were back at their inception. Heck, the various modern elaborations on A* are mostly still published in a journal of AI (AAAI).
      - bitwize 2y ago
        Apparently there was a big scare that AI would take programmers' jobs away... decades ago, when the first compilers came out.
        6510 2y ago
        Yes, no more machine code. Everything was to be written in BASIC. ...how we laughed at that outlandish idea. It was so obvious performance would be... well... what we have today pretty much.
        bitwize 2y ago
        IKR? If you can't hand-pick where instructions are located on the drum, you may have to use separate constants, and if that's the case what is even the point?
        6510 2y ago
        If you spend a few hours writing a bit of code that has to run for decades, millions or billions of times per day on hundreds of thousands or millions of machines it seems quite significant to use only the instructions needed to make it work. A few hundreds of thousands extra seems a lot. One would imagine other useful things could be done with quintillions or septillions of cycles besides saving a few development hours.
      - level1ten 2y ago
        We will likely develop more accurate names for the different shades of AI after the fact. Or the AI will.
- denton-scratch 2y ago
  Thank you! I was wondering how they managed to wedge an AI model into a RasPi. And I couldn't figure out what the AI was needed for.
- buffalobuffalo 2y ago
  This has been going on for a while: https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/ai-9 https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/ai-9
- smus 2y ago
  Looks like the key component is roboflow (a computer vision/ai platform) and the user trained and deployed a yolo deep-learning model.
- causal 2y ago
  That's my point: legislation seldom defines AI rigorously enough to exclude work like OpenCV. I presume that leaves it to courts or prosecutorial discretion.
- autoexec 2y ago
  So it doesn't actually drop hats onto heads and doesn't use what most people would consider AI... I think I could probably rig up something to gracelessly shove an item out of an open window too which is basically what we're left with. It'd take longer to create the app for booking appointments, and to set up everything for payment processing.
- jampekka 2y ago
  Be it "AI" or not, these mostly fall under "AI" legistlation, at least in the new EU AI Act. Which is IMHO a better way to legislate than tying laws to specific algorithms d'jour.
prepend 2y ago
It’s going to be like those “made in a facility that processes nuts” warnings that are on most foods these days
RheingoldRiver 2y ago
This comment is known to the State of California to contain text that may cause you to ignore warnings which may lead to cancer, reproductive defects, and some other shit that I can't remember because it's been almost a decade since I lived in California and weirdly I can't easily find the full text of one of these online through a quick search (emphasis: quick)
yellow_postit 2y ago
I fear you’re right — cookie banners will soon also come with endless AI disclaimers that net net desensitize the end user to any consideration as they seek to skip poorly crafted regulation and get on with their lives.
- jampekka 2y ago
  Poorly enforced regulation. Most of the cookie banners are illegal but businesses, especially large ones, have too much power to be effectively regulated. The nags are kind of malicious semi-compliance, partly in effort to make the regulation look bad.
xnorswap 2y ago
If Big AI lobbyists get their way, this is exactly the kind of warnings we'll get. Flood users with warnings on everything and it'll get ignored. Especially if there's no penalty for warning when there isn't a risk. Big Tobacco must love Prop 65 warnings, because by making it look like everything causes cancer, smokers keep themselves blissfully ignorant at just how large the risk factor is for tobacco compared to most other things.

by causal 2y ago

tyingq 2y ago

I'm guessing we'll just end with every website has a button where you have to accept: [ all cookies and ai stuff ]

omoikane 2y ago

This is not quite like the "AI" that's hyped in recent years, the key component is OpenCV and it has been around for decades. Few years ago, this might have been called Machine Learning (ML) instead of Artificial Intelligence (AI).

rzzzt 2y ago
You have discovered a secret area of my personalized "pet peeves" level: just a few days ago I saw an article (maybe video) about how "AI" tracks you in a restaurant. Screenshot was from an OpenCV-based app with a bounding box around each person, it counted how many people are in the establishment, who is a waiter and who is a customer, and how long they have been there.
- level1ten 2y ago
  Image recognition is AI.
  - rzzzt 2y ago
    Maybe it is easier to define what isn't AI? Toshiba's handwritten postal code recognizers from the 1970s? Fuzzy logic in washing machines that adjusts the pre-programmed cycle based on laundry weight and dirtyness?
    - singpolyma3 2y ago
      Those both sound like AI to me An example of similar computer can do that isn't AI would be arithmetic
      - rzzzt 2y ago
        Adding two numbers, each having 100 digits? Reciting the fractional part of Π on and on? I have only seen that done by talented people appearing in TV shows. Seems AI.
    - ska 2y ago
      Historically, we often call something AI while we don’t really understand how it works. After that it quietly gets subsumed into machine learning or another area and called X algorithm.
  - mysterymath 2y ago
    There's an old saying: "Yesterday's AI is today's algorithm". Few would consider A* search for route-planning or Alpha-Beta pruning for game playing to be "Capital A Captial I" today, but they absolutely were back at their inception. Heck, the various modern elaborations on A* are mostly still published in a journal of AI (AAAI).
    - bitwize 2y ago
      Apparently there was a big scare that AI would take programmers' jobs away... decades ago, when the first compilers came out.
      - 6510 2y ago
        Yes, no more machine code. Everything was to be written in BASIC. ...how we laughed at that outlandish idea. It was so obvious performance would be... well... what we have today pretty much.
        bitwize 2y ago
        IKR? If you can't hand-pick where instructions are located on the drum, you may have to use separate constants, and if that's the case what is even the point?
        6510 2y ago
        If you spend a few hours writing a bit of code that has to run for decades, millions or billions of times per day on hundreds of thousands or millions of machines it seems quite significant to use only the instructions needed to make it work. A few hundreds of thousands extra seems a lot. One would imagine other useful things could be done with quintillions or septillions of cycles besides saving a few development hours.
    - level1ten 2y ago
      We will likely develop more accurate names for the different shades of AI after the fact. Or the AI will.
denton-scratch 2y ago
Thank you! I was wondering how they managed to wedge an AI model into a RasPi. And I couldn't figure out what the AI was needed for.
buffalobuffalo 2y ago
This has been going on for a while: https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/ai-9 https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/ai-9
smus 2y ago
Looks like the key component is roboflow (a computer vision/ai platform) and the user trained and deployed a yolo deep-learning model.
causal 2y ago
That's my point: legislation seldom defines AI rigorously enough to exclude work like OpenCV. I presume that leaves it to courts or prosecutorial discretion.
autoexec 2y ago
So it doesn't actually drop hats onto heads and doesn't use what most people would consider AI... I think I could probably rig up something to gracelessly shove an item out of an open window too which is basically what we're left with. It'd take longer to create the app for booking appointments, and to set up everything for payment processing.
jampekka 2y ago
Be it "AI" or not, these mostly fall under "AI" legistlation, at least in the new EU AI Act. Which is IMHO a better way to legislate than tying laws to specific algorithms d'jour.

prepend 2y ago

It’s going to be like those “made in a facility that processes nuts” warnings that are on most foods these days

RheingoldRiver 2y ago

This comment is known to the State of California to contain text that may cause you to ignore warnings which may lead to cancer, reproductive defects, and some other shit that I can't remember because it's been almost a decade since I lived in California and weirdly I can't easily find the full text of one of these online through a quick search (emphasis: quick)

yellow_postit 2y ago

I fear you’re right — cookie banners will soon also come with endless AI disclaimers that net net desensitize the end user to any consideration as they seek to skip poorly crafted regulation and get on with their lives.

jampekka 2y ago
Poorly enforced regulation. Most of the cookie banners are illegal but businesses, especially large ones, have too much power to be effectively regulated. The nags are kind of malicious semi-compliance, partly in effort to make the regulation look bad.

xnorswap 2y ago

If Big AI lobbyists get their way, this is exactly the kind of warnings we'll get. Flood users with warnings on everything and it'll get ignored. Especially if there's no penalty for warning when there isn't a risk. Big Tobacco must love Prop 65 warnings, because by making it look like everything causes cancer, smokers keep themselves blissfully ignorant at just how large the risk factor is for tobacco compared to most other things.