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Not exactly straightforward when alcohol is sold. Alcohol laws see liability placed on the server, which means that technically transaction is directly between

Not exactly straightforward when alcohol is sold. Alcohol laws see liability placed on the server, which means that technically transaction is directly between the customer and the server. Which is no doubt why tipping traditionally was only a practice in places where alcohol is sold. I can't imagine we want to change that. Allowing someone to give endless amounts of alcohol to a customer without any repercussions is rife with problems, and removing the ability for a customer to pay a vendor for services rendered would undo everything we know.

gruez 2y ago
>Not exactly straightforward when alcohol is sold. Alcohol laws see liability placed on the server, which means that technically transaction is directly between the customer and the server. Which is no doubt why tipping traditionally was only a practice in places where alcohol is sold. This is an absolutely bizarre take. The fact that bartenders have liability to not serve patrons absurd amounts of alcohol, has no bearing on what the transaction is "technically" between. If you really want to get down to brass tacks, I doubt the merchant account on the credit card machine is going to the bartender, nor is the revenue showing up on his tax returns. Moreover, bartending isn't the only profession where you take on liability. Doctors are liable for malpractice as well. Does that mean you should tip your doctors as well?
- randomdata 2y ago
  By and large doctors operate independent businesses, so you are tipping them. Of course, doctors working as employees isn't completely unheard of. If you are worried about consistency, then you absolutely should also be tipping those in that situation, but as tipping on employment arrangements is never expected anywhere, not even where alcohol is sold, there is no onus for you to. It is your life to live. Do what you want.
  - gruez 2y ago
    >By and large doctors operate independent businesses, so you are tipping them. Again, this is a bizarre take. The fact the person is the proprietor of the business doesn't mean you're "tipping" them by mere virtue of patronizing their business. Taxi drivers also operate as independent businesses, but it's a stretch to call the mere fact of paying your bill (ie. without adding anything extra) "tipping".
    - randomdata 2y ago
      Any agreement between a patron and a server to exchange an offer of value is also just "paying the bill". Any agreement between the patron and venue is a separate transaction. The law in most jurisdictions makes this quite clear.
      - gruez 2y ago
        What does that have to do with your claim that you're "tipping" doctors when you pay exactly what you owe? Or are you living in some bizzaro world where people actually pay doctors extra on top?
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        randomdata 2y ago
        Where is the "extra on top" coming into play? Imagine I'm your server at a restaurant. You agree to pay the restaurant $20 for the service it rendered and, separately, me $3 for the service I rendered, the latter of which oft called a tip. I now have $3 in hand. What more am I going to get "on top"? I've never heard of such a thing. Are you somehow confused in thinking that the restaurant is taking $23? That might be reasonably described as "on top", but doesn't happen, so would be nonsensical to discuss.
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KptMarchewa 2y ago
Another unsolvable problem for US that has been solved... eh, anywhere else?
- randomdata 2y ago
  There are no countries where tipping is illegal. It is not a solved “problem”. Of course, tipping isn't required anywhere, and that includes the US. If you don't want to tip... don't?
- kelipso 2y ago
  Haha I find the ridiculous arguments that Americans make to justify whatever insane customs they have somewhat entertaining.

gruez 2y ago

>Not exactly straightforward when alcohol is sold. Alcohol laws see liability placed on the server, which means that technically transaction is directly between the customer and the server. Which is no doubt why tipping traditionally was only a practice in places where alcohol is sold. This is an absolutely bizarre take. The fact that bartenders have liability to not serve patrons absurd amounts of alcohol, has no bearing on what the transaction is "technically" between. If you really want to get down to brass tacks, I doubt the merchant account on the credit card machine is going to the bartender, nor is the revenue showing up on his tax returns. Moreover, bartending isn't the only profession where you take on liability. Doctors are liable for malpractice as well. Does that mean you should tip your doctors as well?

randomdata 2y ago
By and large doctors operate independent businesses, so you are tipping them. Of course, doctors working as employees isn't completely unheard of. If you are worried about consistency, then you absolutely should also be tipping those in that situation, but as tipping on employment arrangements is never expected anywhere, not even where alcohol is sold, there is no onus for you to. It is your life to live. Do what you want.
- gruez 2y ago
  >By and large doctors operate independent businesses, so you are tipping them. Again, this is a bizarre take. The fact the person is the proprietor of the business doesn't mean you're "tipping" them by mere virtue of patronizing their business. Taxi drivers also operate as independent businesses, but it's a stretch to call the mere fact of paying your bill (ie. without adding anything extra) "tipping".
  - randomdata 2y ago
    Any agreement between a patron and a server to exchange an offer of value is also just "paying the bill". Any agreement between the patron and venue is a separate transaction. The law in most jurisdictions makes this quite clear.
    - gruez 2y ago
      What does that have to do with your claim that you're "tipping" doctors when you pay exactly what you owe? Or are you living in some bizzaro world where people actually pay doctors extra on top?
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      - randomdata 2y ago
        Where is the "extra on top" coming into play? Imagine I'm your server at a restaurant. You agree to pay the restaurant $20 for the service it rendered and, separately, me $3 for the service I rendered, the latter of which oft called a tip. I now have $3 in hand. What more am I going to get "on top"? I've never heard of such a thing. Are you somehow confused in thinking that the restaurant is taking $23? That might be reasonably described as "on top", but doesn't happen, so would be nonsensical to discuss.
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KptMarchewa 2y ago

Another unsolvable problem for US that has been solved... eh, anywhere else?

randomdata 2y ago
There are no countries where tipping is illegal. It is not a solved “problem”. Of course, tipping isn't required anywhere, and that includes the US. If you don't want to tip... don't?
kelipso 2y ago
Haha I find the ridiculous arguments that Americans make to justify whatever insane customs they have somewhat entertaining.