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Am I crazy or is there nothing here? I see an abstract, a link to some unrelated search, “research areas” (another unrelated link) then a footer with a link to

Am I crazy or is there nothing here? I see an abstract, a link to some unrelated search, “research areas” (another unrelated link) then a footer with a link to their team. Where do I actually read about beyondcorp?

poidos 2y ago
The page links here: https://cloud.google.com/beyondcorp https://cloud.google.com/beyondcorp Seems like it has more information.
kccqzy 2y ago
Go to the linked PDF by clicking on Google Scholar: https://www.usenix.org/system/files/login/articles/login_dec14_02_ward.pdf https://www.usenix.org/system/files/login/articles/login_dec...
almostgotcaught 2y ago
> Am I crazy or is there nothing here? There's a journal ref right there under the name of the paper `;login:, Vol. 39, No. 6(2014), pp. 6-11`
- ninkendo 2y ago
  What am I supposed to do with that?
  - almostgotcaught 2y ago
    > What am I supposed to do with that? my friend you're accessing this information (my comment and this link) on a device that is connected to the internet and you're upset that some resource doesn't spoon feed you (even though it does). > What am I supposed to do with that? here's a hint: the domain that this link is on is the name of a company that revolutionized information retrieval on the internet about 20 years ago. so much so that that same word (the name of the company) has become synonymous with information retrieval itself. so I suggest that what you're supposed to do with journal reference is put all these obvious factoids to good use and try to retrieve some information :)
    - ninkendo 2y ago
      > here's a hint: the domain that this link is on is the name of a company that revolutionized information retrieval on the internet about 20 years ago You know what actually revolutionized information retrieval, more than 30 years ago? The World Wide Web, which shipped with these things called “hyperlinks” from the very beginning. You know, that thing that lets you click on them and open a document. > so I suggest that what you're supposed to do with journal reference is put all these obvious factoids to good use and try to retrieve some information :) Saying “here’s the page for this thing, but we’re just going to give you some search terms for it so that you can enter them into a proprietary search engine and hopefully maybe dig up the real thing” is only a revolution in how huge of a step backwards it is from what we had 30 years ago. > my friend you're accessing this information (my comment and this link) on a device that is connected to the internet and you're upset that some resource doesn't spoon feed you (even though it does). Y’know, you’re right, I’m such an idiot. Why does HN even have links? Surely we don’t need to be spoon fed, we’re all smart enough to Alphabet something so why not just have every discussion contain a search term only? No, it shouldn’t be clickable, we should all independently copy/paste the headline and see what we all come up with when searching for it. Links are such a huge step backwards from this revolutionary search idea. Oh and why stop there? The search results themselves can just be more search terms to use! We won’t even need the web any more, we’ll just do search terms all the way down. So revolutionary.
      - almostgotcaught 2y ago
        Feel free not to read the paper then. Vote with your feet! I'm sure geocities/tripod/etc has exactly the content you're looking for.
        ninkendo 2y ago
        Excellent attitude you have there. Any number of usability concerns can be addressed by calling the user stupid and telling them to go elsewhere.
        2y ago
tekla 2y ago
In the linked area directly below the title
- ninkendo 2y ago
  What link? The one directly below the title links to the authors about page. The next link down is a “google scholar” link which just links to a search for beyondcorp. The first link in said search is to a “dialnet.uniroja.es” site. Is this what I’m supposed to know to tap on? Why not link straight to the pdf? The URL we’re commenting on certainly seems like it’s supposed to be the canonical URL for the publication on BeyondCorp, but it seems like all it does is show an abstract and a link for you to search for the actual publication. This seems kinda backwards. Like imagine I’m a startup selling widgets and I make a widgets.biz website, but all that website says is “I dunno just search for us lol, go away” and links to a google search for widgets. It would seem kinda silly, no?

poidos 2y ago

The page links here: https://cloud.google.com/beyondcorp https://cloud.google.com/beyondcorp Seems like it has more information.

kccqzy 2y ago

Go to the linked PDF by clicking on Google Scholar: https://www.usenix.org/system/files/login/articles/login_dec14_02_ward.pdf https://www.usenix.org/system/files/login/articles/login_dec...

almostgotcaught 2y ago

> Am I crazy or is there nothing here? There's a journal ref right there under the name of the paper `;login:, Vol. 39, No. 6(2014), pp. 6-11`

ninkendo 2y ago
What am I supposed to do with that?
- almostgotcaught 2y ago
  > What am I supposed to do with that? my friend you're accessing this information (my comment and this link) on a device that is connected to the internet and you're upset that some resource doesn't spoon feed you (even though it does). > What am I supposed to do with that? here's a hint: the domain that this link is on is the name of a company that revolutionized information retrieval on the internet about 20 years ago. so much so that that same word (the name of the company) has become synonymous with information retrieval itself. so I suggest that what you're supposed to do with journal reference is put all these obvious factoids to good use and try to retrieve some information :)
  - ninkendo 2y ago
    > here's a hint: the domain that this link is on is the name of a company that revolutionized information retrieval on the internet about 20 years ago You know what actually revolutionized information retrieval, more than 30 years ago? The World Wide Web, which shipped with these things called “hyperlinks” from the very beginning. You know, that thing that lets you click on them and open a document. > so I suggest that what you're supposed to do with journal reference is put all these obvious factoids to good use and try to retrieve some information :) Saying “here’s the page for this thing, but we’re just going to give you some search terms for it so that you can enter them into a proprietary search engine and hopefully maybe dig up the real thing” is only a revolution in how huge of a step backwards it is from what we had 30 years ago. > my friend you're accessing this information (my comment and this link) on a device that is connected to the internet and you're upset that some resource doesn't spoon feed you (even though it does). Y’know, you’re right, I’m such an idiot. Why does HN even have links? Surely we don’t need to be spoon fed, we’re all smart enough to Alphabet something so why not just have every discussion contain a search term only? No, it shouldn’t be clickable, we should all independently copy/paste the headline and see what we all come up with when searching for it. Links are such a huge step backwards from this revolutionary search idea. Oh and why stop there? The search results themselves can just be more search terms to use! We won’t even need the web any more, we’ll just do search terms all the way down. So revolutionary.
    - almostgotcaught 2y ago
      Feel free not to read the paper then. Vote with your feet! I'm sure geocities/tripod/etc has exactly the content you're looking for.
      - ninkendo 2y ago
        Excellent attitude you have there. Any number of usability concerns can be addressed by calling the user stupid and telling them to go elsewhere.
        2y ago

tekla 2y ago

In the linked area directly below the title

ninkendo 2y ago
What link? The one directly below the title links to the authors about page. The next link down is a “google scholar” link which just links to a search for beyondcorp. The first link in said search is to a “dialnet.uniroja.es” site. Is this what I’m supposed to know to tap on? Why not link straight to the pdf? The URL we’re commenting on certainly seems like it’s supposed to be the canonical URL for the publication on BeyondCorp, but it seems like all it does is show an abstract and a link for you to search for the actual publication. This seems kinda backwards. Like imagine I’m a startup selling widgets and I make a widgets.biz website, but all that website says is “I dunno just search for us lol, go away” and links to a google search for widgets. It would seem kinda silly, no?