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> It’s not, though it is a sceptical review of an Italian academic’s work. (How did you conclude it’s an opinion piece? It’s not even in the URL.) The only thi

> It’s not, though it is a sceptical review of an Italian academic’s work. (How did you conclude it’s an opinion piece? It’s not even in the URL.) The only thing I had access to, the title: "Everything I, an Italian, thought I knew about Italian food is wrong". That reeks of "opinion piece". > Pizza obviously existed in America before WWII. We have documented evidence of American pizzerias, e.g. in New York back to 1905, opened by a Neapolitan [1]. Italian Americans in Italy, influenced by the American version, spurred pizza’s development and expansion across the peninsula. Those soldiers (and their comrades) returning to America influenced our version and in turn spurred its expansion across America. The italicized part is not supported by the Wikipedia article, that I trust more than some review of a book I don't have and that you selectively quote. Without it your narrative breaks down.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> That reeks of "opinion piece” Sure. I’ll confirm that you’re wrong. > the Wikipedia article You only quoted Wikipedia saying “before the 1940s, pizza consumption was limited mostly to Italian Americans.” Where do you think Italian Americans live?
- g15jv2dp 2y ago
  It's in the section about history pizza in the USA. It's saying that, in the USA, pizza consumption was limited mostly to Italian-Americans. Is that clearer? Come on... Read the whole paragraph, it explains that once American soldiers (presumably non-Italian-American) were exposed to Italian cuisine, they brought back appreciation for it back home, which led to the rise of pizza in the general American population.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > in the section about history pizza in the USA Also known as America! You asked “how could veterans bring pizza back the US [sic] if somehow pizza was unknown in Italy.” To prove that, you quoted a section that showed veterans did not “bring pizza back” to America, it was already here. (Nobody claimed pizza “was unknown in Italy” prior to WWII, so I’ll ignore that part.) WWII caused pizza to stop being seen as an immigrant food in America. It also caused the American pizza processes to intermix with those in Naples, both changing it into its modern form and helping it expand across the Italian peninsula. I’ll note that you’ve misquoted once source, Wikipedia, complained you couldn’t access a second, and provided zero of your own all while rejecting evidenced culinary history. Curious to be proven wrong with sources versus stubbornness.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> That reeks of "opinion piece” Sure. I’ll confirm that you’re wrong. > the Wikipedia article You only quoted Wikipedia saying “before the 1940s, pizza consumption was limited mostly to Italian Americans.” Where do you think Italian Americans live?

g15jv2dp 2y ago
It's in the section about history pizza in the USA. It's saying that, in the USA, pizza consumption was limited mostly to Italian-Americans. Is that clearer? Come on... Read the whole paragraph, it explains that once American soldiers (presumably non-Italian-American) were exposed to Italian cuisine, they brought back appreciation for it back home, which led to the rise of pizza in the general American population.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > in the section about history pizza in the USA Also known as America! You asked “how could veterans bring pizza back the US [sic] if somehow pizza was unknown in Italy.” To prove that, you quoted a section that showed veterans did not “bring pizza back” to America, it was already here. (Nobody claimed pizza “was unknown in Italy” prior to WWII, so I’ll ignore that part.) WWII caused pizza to stop being seen as an immigrant food in America. It also caused the American pizza processes to intermix with those in Naples, both changing it into its modern form and helping it expand across the Italian peninsula. I’ll note that you’ve misquoted once source, Wikipedia, complained you couldn’t access a second, and provided zero of your own all while rejecting evidenced culinary history. Curious to be proven wrong with sources versus stubbornness.