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Plants generate tens of thousands of chemicals. I’d be interested in finding out if there are any other plants or plants in normal diet that have or don’t have

Plants generate tens of thousands of chemicals. I’d be interested in finding out if there are any other plants or plants in normal diet that have or don’t have “some anti-inflammatory or anti-bacterial” properties, possibly they all do

prdonahue 2y ago
And some have pro-inflammatory properties.
Dove 2y ago
There is a lot of research done on the topic. A fun exercise is to enter a random vegetable or spice into the search box at pubmed. It's amazing how often you'll find something like cinnamon or beets in trials for the treatment of some disease or another. Sometimes I feel like literally every plant we eat has medicinal properties. ("Okay, now do bananas... no way, bananas???")
scns 2y ago
On the first symptoms of a cold i drink a tea from dried ginger, curcuma and pepper. Curcumin has antiviral properties and Piperin increases its' absorption by a factor of 2000. If it gets worse i drink tea with willowbark, was used by the ancient greeks allready. The salycilates in there were the basis for developing Aspirin.
- rebeccaskinner 2y ago
  > If it gets worse i drink tea with willowbark, was used by the ancient greeks allready. The salycilates in there were the basis for developing Aspirin. Honest question: why not just take aspirin and get a reliable known dose of medication instead of the random amount that you'd get with the tea?
  - CoffeeOnWrite 2y ago
    The short answer that an herbalist will give you is to use the whole plant in order to benefit from non-active compounds that balance out the active compounds, perhaps providing benefits like reducing side effects or potentiating the active compound. Also sometimes there's a sensory quality of the herb that contributes to its effect, eg. digestive bitters. Sometimes the herb tastes good. And often they are nutritionally beneficial too (vitamins, minerals, etc). Personally I have observed the benefits firsthand of herbs including blue vervain, California poppy, chamomile, gentian, kava kava, lemon balm, marshmallow, motherwort, Oregon grape root, pedicularis, skullcap, wild lettuce, all quite safe (though some you don't want to take regularly). My herbalist doesn't bother with willow themselves, they've tried it and it's just not as effective as acetaminophen or ibuprofen, so I haven't bothered to try willow. Apparently the concentration of aspirin compounds in willow is quite low, perhaps that's why: https://www.evolutionaryherbalism.com/2021/07/28/willow-bark-vs-aspirin/ https://www.evolutionaryherbalism.com/2021/07/28/willow-bark...
    - rebeccaskinner 2y ago
      Thanks. I find this entire area really interesting, but also difficult to navigate as a skeptic because it can be really difficult to separate out the valid scientifically grounded stuff from the woo that tends to permeate a lot of this stuff, and there's a lot of scientifically grounded knowledge in natural remedies that also have some big caveats that people overlook. I think about things like, e.g. licorice root tea that is natural and might be effective at what it's supposed to do, but also presents a lot of danger that proper pharmaceuticals wouldn't (or would document properly) and it makes me a bit averse to going toward whole plants first. Still, I do appreciate the perspective. The disaster preparedness and survival enthusiast in me also tries to keep a running catalogue of natural remedies in my head just in case.
      - CoffeeOnWrite 2y ago
        Yep it’s a small minority of herbs whose effectiveness is backed up by quality studies. Modern herbalists have “debunked” some traditional remedies. Some herbs have legitimate uses but are also fairly dangerous, like lobelia. There’s a whole continuum. Flower essences are popular among legitimate herbalists, but smell bogus to me. I suggest to try for yourself and come to your own conclusions. The areas where I have found the herbs decisively effective are improving my sleep quality, quieting anxiety, and soothing and improving my digestion.
Spod_Gaju 2y ago
Turmeric is a potent TNFa inhibitor in the intestines. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27025786/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27025786/
- wahnfrieden 2y ago
  Just be careful about adulterated turmeric with lead in it
phyzix5761 2y ago
You're absolutely right. The majority of foods Budongo chimpanzees eat have anti-bacterial properties: 1. B. papyrifera [1] 2. Ficus sur [2] 3. Ficus mucuso [3] 4. Ficus exasperata [4] The medicinal aspect of this article is not that interesting but the fact that the chimpanzees seek out these alternative sources of food when injured or sick is interesting. I would like to see further research into how they learn to seek out these plants and the results of consuming them. [1] https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fcimb.2023.1255127/full https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fcimb.2023.1255... [2] https://www.ajol.info/index.php/imcp/article/view/242262 https://www.ajol.info/index.php/imcp/article/view/242262 [3] https://www.ajol.info/index.php/njpr/article/view/221351 https://www.ajol.info/index.php/njpr/article/view/221351 [4] https://www.researchgate.net/publication/271228215_Evaluation_of_anti-bacterial_properties_of_ethanol_extract_of_Ficus_exasperata_leaf https://www.researchgate.net/publication/271228215_Evaluatio...

prdonahue 2y ago

And some have pro-inflammatory properties.

Dove 2y ago

There is a lot of research done on the topic. A fun exercise is to enter a random vegetable or spice into the search box at pubmed. It's amazing how often you'll find something like cinnamon or beets in trials for the treatment of some disease or another. Sometimes I feel like literally every plant we eat has medicinal properties. ("Okay, now do bananas... no way, bananas???")

scns 2y ago

On the first symptoms of a cold i drink a tea from dried ginger, curcuma and pepper. Curcumin has antiviral properties and Piperin increases its' absorption by a factor of 2000. If it gets worse i drink tea with willowbark, was used by the ancient greeks allready. The salycilates in there were the basis for developing Aspirin.

rebeccaskinner 2y ago
> If it gets worse i drink tea with willowbark, was used by the ancient greeks allready. The salycilates in there were the basis for developing Aspirin. Honest question: why not just take aspirin and get a reliable known dose of medication instead of the random amount that you'd get with the tea?
- CoffeeOnWrite 2y ago
  The short answer that an herbalist will give you is to use the whole plant in order to benefit from non-active compounds that balance out the active compounds, perhaps providing benefits like reducing side effects or potentiating the active compound. Also sometimes there's a sensory quality of the herb that contributes to its effect, eg. digestive bitters. Sometimes the herb tastes good. And often they are nutritionally beneficial too (vitamins, minerals, etc). Personally I have observed the benefits firsthand of herbs including blue vervain, California poppy, chamomile, gentian, kava kava, lemon balm, marshmallow, motherwort, Oregon grape root, pedicularis, skullcap, wild lettuce, all quite safe (though some you don't want to take regularly). My herbalist doesn't bother with willow themselves, they've tried it and it's just not as effective as acetaminophen or ibuprofen, so I haven't bothered to try willow. Apparently the concentration of aspirin compounds in willow is quite low, perhaps that's why: https://www.evolutionaryherbalism.com/2021/07/28/willow-bark-vs-aspirin/ https://www.evolutionaryherbalism.com/2021/07/28/willow-bark...
  - rebeccaskinner 2y ago
    Thanks. I find this entire area really interesting, but also difficult to navigate as a skeptic because it can be really difficult to separate out the valid scientifically grounded stuff from the woo that tends to permeate a lot of this stuff, and there's a lot of scientifically grounded knowledge in natural remedies that also have some big caveats that people overlook. I think about things like, e.g. licorice root tea that is natural and might be effective at what it's supposed to do, but also presents a lot of danger that proper pharmaceuticals wouldn't (or would document properly) and it makes me a bit averse to going toward whole plants first. Still, I do appreciate the perspective. The disaster preparedness and survival enthusiast in me also tries to keep a running catalogue of natural remedies in my head just in case.
    - CoffeeOnWrite 2y ago
      Yep it’s a small minority of herbs whose effectiveness is backed up by quality studies. Modern herbalists have “debunked” some traditional remedies. Some herbs have legitimate uses but are also fairly dangerous, like lobelia. There’s a whole continuum. Flower essences are popular among legitimate herbalists, but smell bogus to me. I suggest to try for yourself and come to your own conclusions. The areas where I have found the herbs decisively effective are improving my sleep quality, quieting anxiety, and soothing and improving my digestion.

Spod_Gaju 2y ago

Turmeric is a potent TNFa inhibitor in the intestines. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27025786/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27025786/

wahnfrieden 2y ago
Just be careful about adulterated turmeric with lead in it

phyzix5761 2y ago

You're absolutely right. The majority of foods Budongo chimpanzees eat have anti-bacterial properties: 1. B. papyrifera [1] 2. Ficus sur [2] 3. Ficus mucuso [3] 4. Ficus exasperata [4] The medicinal aspect of this article is not that interesting but the fact that the chimpanzees seek out these alternative sources of food when injured or sick is interesting. I would like to see further research into how they learn to seek out these plants and the results of consuming them. [1] https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fcimb.2023.1255127/full https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fcimb.2023.1255... [2] https://www.ajol.info/index.php/imcp/article/view/242262 https://www.ajol.info/index.php/imcp/article/view/242262 [3] https://www.ajol.info/index.php/njpr/article/view/221351 https://www.ajol.info/index.php/njpr/article/view/221351 [4] https://www.researchgate.net/publication/271228215_Evaluation_of_anti-bacterial_properties_of_ethanol_extract_of_Ficus_exasperata_leaf https://www.researchgate.net/publication/271228215_Evaluatio...