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I will take "stupid things that bother you for no good reason" for 200. kamikaze drone is perhaps the most ridiculous term that has popped up in the last few y

by somat 2y ago

I will take "stupid things that bother you for no good reason" for 200. kamikaze drone is perhaps the most ridiculous term that has popped up in the last few years. I despise it for at least two reasons. 1. Kamikaze was terminology specifically used to describe a "human" not a machine guiding themselves terminally into the target. this is what made it so horrifying. 2. If that is a 'sighs' kamikaze drone. why is the aim-9 sidewinder not one? by which I mean we already had perfectly good term to describe this sort of device. why not use it. It is a guided missile.

dudeinjapan 2y ago
The Iranians beg to differ--the word "Shahed" means "Martyr"
- farseer 2y ago
  Can a machine become a Martyr?
- waffleiron 2y ago
  The munition Shahid/Shahed in this case translates to Witness, شاهد See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahada#Terminology_and_significance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahada#Terminology_and_signif... and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahid_(name) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahid_(name) From the second wiki page "It is not to be confused with a different word, a religious term, written and pronounced differently, Shaheed (Arabic: شهيد šahīd, plural: شُهَدَاء šuhadāʾ; female: šaheeda), meaning "martyr"."
where-group-by 2y ago
Linguistically speaking UAVs seem closer to manned aircraft, so the fact that TV guided missiles and 'kamikaze' drones offer similar capabilities is more of a 'convergent evolution' thing. One of the things that I think make them different is that UAVs are expected to be able to wait in the area of operations after being launched (how they do it? It differs between models). But I agree that using the word Kamikaze specifically is a bit weird.
- waffleiron 2y ago
  The most common version of naming would be loitering munition. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loitering_munition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loitering_munition
constantcrying 2y ago
I agree that the "kamikaze" or "suicide" description is nonsensical. >It is a guided missile. No, it isn't. It only uses rocket propellant for starting, then it uses a propeller and it's wings to stay in the air.
- somat 2y ago
  so it is a cruise missile then. which is a sub class of.. a guided missile
  - constantcrying 2y ago
    It really isn't a missile, it uses a propeller to sustain flight.
    - The_Colonel 2y ago
      Missile isn't defined by a kind of engine it has > a flying weapon that has its own engine and can travel a long distance before exploding at the place at which it has been aimed.
      - constantcrying 2y ago
        I think there is great value in distinguishing between low cost single use drones and cruise missiles. Conflating them seems stupid, they have totally different operational uses and characteristics.
        The_Colonel 2y ago
        > I think there is great value in distinguishing between low cost single use drones and cruise missiles. You can still do it by saying e.g. "low cost cruise missile". > they have totally different operational uses and characteristics. Such as? Shaheds are used for similar goals as e.g. Tomahawks missiles. I think a problem with insisting on this dichotomy is that we will see more in-between missiles - e.g. Shahed 238 is a development of Shared 136 with a jet engine. Is it a drone or a missile and why?

by somat 2y ago

dudeinjapan 2y ago

The Iranians beg to differ--the word "Shahed" means "Martyr"

farseer 2y ago
Can a machine become a Martyr?
waffleiron 2y ago
The munition Shahid/Shahed in this case translates to Witness, شاهد See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahada#Terminology_and_significance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahada#Terminology_and_signif... and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahid_(name) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahid_(name) From the second wiki page "It is not to be confused with a different word, a religious term, written and pronounced differently, Shaheed (Arabic: شهيد šahīd, plural: شُهَدَاء šuhadāʾ; female: šaheeda), meaning "martyr"."

where-group-by 2y ago

Linguistically speaking UAVs seem closer to manned aircraft, so the fact that TV guided missiles and 'kamikaze' drones offer similar capabilities is more of a 'convergent evolution' thing. One of the things that I think make them different is that UAVs are expected to be able to wait in the area of operations after being launched (how they do it? It differs between models). But I agree that using the word Kamikaze specifically is a bit weird.

waffleiron 2y ago
The most common version of naming would be loitering munition. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loitering_munition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loitering_munition

constantcrying 2y ago

I agree that the "kamikaze" or "suicide" description is nonsensical. >It is a guided missile. No, it isn't. It only uses rocket propellant for starting, then it uses a propeller and it's wings to stay in the air.

somat 2y ago
so it is a cruise missile then. which is a sub class of.. a guided missile
- constantcrying 2y ago
  It really isn't a missile, it uses a propeller to sustain flight.
  - The_Colonel 2y ago
    Missile isn't defined by a kind of engine it has > a flying weapon that has its own engine and can travel a long distance before exploding at the place at which it has been aimed.
    - constantcrying 2y ago
      I think there is great value in distinguishing between low cost single use drones and cruise missiles. Conflating them seems stupid, they have totally different operational uses and characteristics.
      - The_Colonel 2y ago
        > I think there is great value in distinguishing between low cost single use drones and cruise missiles. You can still do it by saying e.g. "low cost cruise missile". > they have totally different operational uses and characteristics. Such as? Shaheds are used for similar goals as e.g. Tomahawks missiles. I think a problem with insisting on this dichotomy is that we will see more in-between missiles - e.g. Shahed 238 is a development of Shared 136 with a jet engine. Is it a drone or a missile and why?