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> But the ancient greeks considered them not greek. They wouldnt let them compete at the olympics either. Says who? Citation needed.

by d_tr 2y ago

morbicer 2y ago
Démosthenés for one? Did you not read the OP? Also Wikipedia mentions this multiple times https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Macedonians https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Macedonians Gosh nationalism was stupid back then and remains stupid nowadays.
- d_tr 2y ago
  I commented on Demosthenes. Wikipedia as a source for a highly heated political matter like this? Talk about stupid things. And keep your moronic assumptions about how I am a nationalist to yourself. They spoke Greek, they worshipped the same Gods, they did participate in the Olympics. Everything about them was Greek. There are coins with Alexander's name where the name is written exactly as I write it today, in Greek, down to the letter and to the stroke. And maybe do some research on what Alexander himself considered his region and himself as. I am sure you would want to respect that. I understand the need of a state to create some kind of coherent narrative to keep itself together, but enough with this charade. "Gosh"...
  - morbicer 2y ago
    You know Wikipedia has citations right? > When Alexander I of Macedon petitioned to compete in the foot race of the ancient Olympic Games, the event organizers at first denied his request, explaining that only Greeks were allowed to compete. However, Alexander I produced proof of an Argead royal genealogy showing ancient Argive Temenid lineage, a move that ultimately convinced the Olympic Hellanodikai authorities of his Greek descent and ability to compete, although this did not necessarily apply to common Macedonians outside of his royal dynasty Badian, Ernst (1982). "Greeks and Macedonians". Studies in the History of Art. SYMPOSIUM SERIES I. 10. National Gallery of Art: 33–51. JSTOR 42617918 I didn't say you are nationalist, just that it's a stupid concept. It was stupid from "mainstream" ancient Greeks to exclude ancient Makedonians and it's stupid to argue who can claim Alexander nowadays. In every state ancient or modern, every inhabitant is a genetic melange and even though there is usually some major culture there are minorities which are often excluded by the jingoistic narrative.
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> But the ancient greeks considered them not greek. They wouldnt let them compete at the olympics either. Says who? Citation needed.

by d_tr 2y ago

> But the ancient greeks considered them not greek. They wouldnt let them compete at the olympics either. Says who? Citation needed.

morbicer 2y ago

Démosthenés for one? Did you not read the OP? Also Wikipedia mentions this multiple times https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Macedonians https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Macedonians Gosh nationalism was stupid back then and remains stupid nowadays.

d_tr 2y ago
I commented on Demosthenes. Wikipedia as a source for a highly heated political matter like this? Talk about stupid things. And keep your moronic assumptions about how I am a nationalist to yourself. They spoke Greek, they worshipped the same Gods, they did participate in the Olympics. Everything about them was Greek. There are coins with Alexander's name where the name is written exactly as I write it today, in Greek, down to the letter and to the stroke. And maybe do some research on what Alexander himself considered his region and himself as. I am sure you would want to respect that. I understand the need of a state to create some kind of coherent narrative to keep itself together, but enough with this charade. "Gosh"...
- morbicer 2y ago
  You know Wikipedia has citations right? > When Alexander I of Macedon petitioned to compete in the foot race of the ancient Olympic Games, the event organizers at first denied his request, explaining that only Greeks were allowed to compete. However, Alexander I produced proof of an Argead royal genealogy showing ancient Argive Temenid lineage, a move that ultimately convinced the Olympic Hellanodikai authorities of his Greek descent and ability to compete, although this did not necessarily apply to common Macedonians outside of his royal dynasty Badian, Ernst (1982). "Greeks and Macedonians". Studies in the History of Art. SYMPOSIUM SERIES I. 10. National Gallery of Art: 33–51. JSTOR 42617918 I didn't say you are nationalist, just that it's a stupid concept. It was stupid from "mainstream" ancient Greeks to exclude ancient Makedonians and it's stupid to argue who can claim Alexander nowadays. In every state ancient or modern, every inhabitant is a genetic melange and even though there is usually some major culture there are minorities which are often excluded by the jingoistic narrative.
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