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What is the motivation to prefer untargeted ads over targeted ones?

xzjis 2y ago
Targeted ads are the ones that are the most likely to make you change your mind, and buy/consume something you didn't need in the first place.
GeoHubToday 2y ago
Targeted ads can basically gangstalk you and it's psychologically uncomfortable
- mgraczyk 2y ago
  And you are using the term "gangstalk", which refers to a specific symptom of mental illness, ironically?
  - luqtas 2y ago
    & feeling paranoia is a garantee of having mental disease?
    - mgraczyk 2y ago
      No, but the phrase "gangstalk" refers to a specific kind of persecutory delusion. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_stalking https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_stalking
      - bqmjjx0kac 2y ago
        In the words of Kurt Cobain, "Just because you're paranoid don't mean they're not after you." But I take your point. Using clinical terms in another context creates an unnecessary/unwanted association for readers.
      - ndriscoll 2y ago
        > Gang stalking or group-stalking is a set of persecutory beliefs in which those affected believe they are being followed, stalked, and harassed by a large number of people. That is literally true though. Have you ever read one of those cookie banners to see the list of organizations stalking you at all times on the web? It's often in the high hundreds. Nearly every electronic device manufactured in the last 10 years is stalking you at all times. If you don't have an active ad blocker, they also harass you constantly in a personalized way using the information they gather by stalking you.
        mgraczyk 2y ago
        I'm not personally being persecuted or harassed by any companies.
    - dcgudeman 2y ago
      It's definitely not a sign of mental health...
    - s17n 2y ago
      more or less
  - GeoHubToday 2y ago
    No, I mean the action of gangstalking If a bunch of people analyze your psychology and then coordinate to use what they find to scare you, that's gangstalking When an AI does it.... it's expected advertising behavior? I don't like that double standard. Gangstalking is gangstalking.
    - s17n 2y ago
      "A study from Australia and the United Kingdom by Lorraine Sheridan and David James[13] compared 128 self-defined victims of 'gang stalking' with a randomly selected group of 128 self-declared victims of stalking by an individual. All 128 'victims' of gang stalking were judged to be delusional, compared with only 5 victims of individual stalking."
      - actionfromafar 2y ago
        Yeah but in this case it’s Facebook that is delusional.
      - GeoHubToday 2y ago
        Ah, you want to cite hair-splitting Okay Give me your identity Email, phone number, address, family members, etc. I can show you how gangstalking works with that information Is that something you'd be willing to share here?
reaperducer 2y ago
Privacy. Though, if you're into privacy, you're probably not on Facebook. But a good number of people find the kind of hyper-targeted advertising enabled by the tech industry very creepy. Anything more granular than a billboard gives me the heebie-jeebies.
- mgraczyk 2y ago
  Interesting, I guess most people are unaware that running these scripts does not stop the data from being collected, because Facebook is not the one collecting most of it.
  - GeoHubToday 2y ago
    Yes, this script disrupts the non-Facebook actors collecting most of the data It cuts off a refinement step
tshaddox 2y ago
Untargeted ads are presumably less profitable and thus the preference for untargeted ads is also a preference for fewer ads.
- jonas21 2y ago
  It's the opposite. If untargeted ads generate less revenue per impression, they'll need to show you more ads to make the same amount of revenue.
  - reducesuffering 2y ago
    They’re already trying to maximize revenue and have maximized saturation of ads until their network becomes less sticky by people getting annoyed and not using it. So you’re getting the same number of ads either way, even if Facebook can’t make more money off you.
  - tshaddox 2y ago
    That doesn’t really make sense. Publishers will already show you an ad every time doing so is profitable. They won’t show you an ad when it isn’t profitable. Whatever opportunity you’re imagining where a publisher would a new ad once ads become less profitable, why wouldn’t they be showing a (more profitable) ad right now?
tgsovlerkhgsel 2y ago
My bank telling Facebook that I'm their customer is a breach of privacy. If you care about ethics not law, it's none of Facebook's business to know who I bank with. If you don't care about ethics, only law as written, it's a breach of the law for the bank to share this information with Facebook. And at least one European Neo-bank no longer does this. I don't think I was the only/first one to report them, and unfortunately I don't think they were fined for doing it, but I sure did report them.
JohnFen 2y ago
Targeted ads require the collection of personal data that I don't want to be collected. Untargeted ads don't.

Targeted ads are the ones that are the most likely to make you change your mind, and buy/consume something you didn't need in the first place.

GeoHubToday 2y ago

Targeted ads can basically gangstalk you and it's psychologically uncomfortable

mgraczyk 2y ago
And you are using the term "gangstalk", which refers to a specific symptom of mental illness, ironically?
- luqtas 2y ago
  & feeling paranoia is a garantee of having mental disease?
  - mgraczyk 2y ago
    No, but the phrase "gangstalk" refers to a specific kind of persecutory delusion. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_stalking https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_stalking
    - bqmjjx0kac 2y ago
      In the words of Kurt Cobain, "Just because you're paranoid don't mean they're not after you." But I take your point. Using clinical terms in another context creates an unnecessary/unwanted association for readers.
    - ndriscoll 2y ago
      > Gang stalking or group-stalking is a set of persecutory beliefs in which those affected believe they are being followed, stalked, and harassed by a large number of people. That is literally true though. Have you ever read one of those cookie banners to see the list of organizations stalking you at all times on the web? It's often in the high hundreds. Nearly every electronic device manufactured in the last 10 years is stalking you at all times. If you don't have an active ad blocker, they also harass you constantly in a personalized way using the information they gather by stalking you.
      - mgraczyk 2y ago
        I'm not personally being persecuted or harassed by any companies.
  - dcgudeman 2y ago
    It's definitely not a sign of mental health...
  - s17n 2y ago
    more or less
- GeoHubToday 2y ago
  No, I mean the action of gangstalking If a bunch of people analyze your psychology and then coordinate to use what they find to scare you, that's gangstalking When an AI does it.... it's expected advertising behavior? I don't like that double standard. Gangstalking is gangstalking.
  - s17n 2y ago
    "A study from Australia and the United Kingdom by Lorraine Sheridan and David James[13] compared 128 self-defined victims of 'gang stalking' with a randomly selected group of 128 self-declared victims of stalking by an individual. All 128 'victims' of gang stalking were judged to be delusional, compared with only 5 victims of individual stalking."
    - actionfromafar 2y ago
      Yeah but in this case it’s Facebook that is delusional.
    - GeoHubToday 2y ago
      Ah, you want to cite hair-splitting Okay Give me your identity Email, phone number, address, family members, etc. I can show you how gangstalking works with that information Is that something you'd be willing to share here?

reaperducer 2y ago

Privacy. Though, if you're into privacy, you're probably not on Facebook. But a good number of people find the kind of hyper-targeted advertising enabled by the tech industry very creepy. Anything more granular than a billboard gives me the heebie-jeebies.

mgraczyk 2y ago
Interesting, I guess most people are unaware that running these scripts does not stop the data from being collected, because Facebook is not the one collecting most of it.
- GeoHubToday 2y ago
  Yes, this script disrupts the non-Facebook actors collecting most of the data It cuts off a refinement step

tshaddox 2y ago

Untargeted ads are presumably less profitable and thus the preference for untargeted ads is also a preference for fewer ads.

jonas21 2y ago
It's the opposite. If untargeted ads generate less revenue per impression, they'll need to show you more ads to make the same amount of revenue.
- reducesuffering 2y ago
  They’re already trying to maximize revenue and have maximized saturation of ads until their network becomes less sticky by people getting annoyed and not using it. So you’re getting the same number of ads either way, even if Facebook can’t make more money off you.
- tshaddox 2y ago
  That doesn’t really make sense. Publishers will already show you an ad every time doing so is profitable. They won’t show you an ad when it isn’t profitable. Whatever opportunity you’re imagining where a publisher would a new ad once ads become less profitable, why wouldn’t they be showing a (more profitable) ad right now?

tgsovlerkhgsel 2y ago

My bank telling Facebook that I'm their customer is a breach of privacy. If you care about ethics not law, it's none of Facebook's business to know who I bank with. If you don't care about ethics, only law as written, it's a breach of the law for the bank to share this information with Facebook. And at least one European Neo-bank no longer does this. I don't think I was the only/first one to report them, and unfortunately I don't think they were fined for doing it, but I sure did report them.

JohnFen 2y ago

Targeted ads require the collection of personal data that I don't want to be collected. Untargeted ads don't.