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IMO it is close. ~40% of the world’s electricity is from low carbon sources like solar, and that number is already increasing by over 1.5% per year and accelera

by Retric 2y ago

IMO it is close. ~40% of the world’s electricity is from low carbon sources like solar, and that number is already increasing by over 1.5% per year and accelerating. People get concerned about 100% carbon free, but really once you hit 90+% the specific year you hit zero becomes less relevant. Spending 1 more year at 50% is worse than 5 years under 10% or 50 years under 1%. If anything it’s EV’s we should be worried about not electricity. Cars last a long time so every ICE sold today is ~26 years of pollution locked in.

Zacharias030 2y ago
Consider that climate change doesn’t care for percentages, but total CO2equivalents. Coal is still the third-fastest GROWING energy source in TWh (from the article), so the question is really 90% of what?
- Retric 2y ago
  Coal bounced back from an economic downturn in 2023. The previous peak was in 2014 at 44,858 TWh which was almost matched in 2022 and then slightly exceeded in 2023. Hardly significant growth. It’s likely somewhere between 2023 and 2026 will be the all time peak but it’s only really dependent on the economy in the short term. Long term coal is clearly dying and looking at China’s energy policies it’s going to start dying quickly.
  - ZeroGravitas 2y ago
    One interesting stat I saw recently is that China is electrifying at a much faster rate than any other country. Which means, even if you ignore the nuclear, hydro, wind and solar that they are building at world leading speeds, the electricity from coal is being used to much more efficiently achieve actual services that in Texas or wherever has slightly less coal in their electricity mix, is being done inefficiently with gas or oil.
einpoklum 2y ago
> IMO it is close. ... ~40%... increasing by over 1.5% per year and accelerating. That would have been close 15 years ago. We are already way behind, and suffering warming effects with droughts, and fires, and heat waves, and floods etc. :-( > Cars last a long time so every ICE sold today is ~26 years of pollution locked in. I would actually guess that 26 years is more of a maximum rather than an average. But regardless - regulatory measures could enforce increasingly more strict pollution limits, which would make it so that the more polluting cars will not be able to be driven legally without some expensive modifications to capture emissions internally. In fact, this already happens in many countries today, forcing decades-old, super-polluting car models off the road. And the availability of gasoline distribution stations could decrease etc.
- Retric 2y ago
  Global warming has been noticeable and accelerating for 50+ years. Being at the turning point where CO2 emissions are likely lower within 5-10 years despite population and economic growth represents a great deal of progress. > I would actually guess that 26 years is more of a maximum rather than an average. It’s actually a low estimate. Average car on the road in the US is 12.6 years *2 = 25.2 but that’s biased because there’s a slow increase in the number of cars on the road which underestimates lifespan. Also there is there is a net outflow of cars from American that get sent to other countries.
  - einpoklum 2y ago
    > Average car on the road in the US is 12.6 years *2 = 25.2 Hmm... I was naturally thinking about the country I live in (Palestine/Israel), but then I remembered I see a lot of old cars in US movies. Guess I'll take your word and assume that's more like the global average.
    - Retric 2y ago
      Israel has younger cars than the US because the total number of cars is increasing rapidly and you don’t manufacture (import) old cars instead mostly buying new ones. In 2013 there were 2.85 million, it grew to 3.97 million by 2022. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1364372/number-of-motor-vehicles-in-israel/#:~:text=In%202022%2C%20the%20total%20number,steady%20increase%20can%20be%20observed https://www.statista.com/statistics/1364372/number-of-motor-....

by Retric 2y ago

Zacharias030 2y ago

Consider that climate change doesn’t care for percentages, but total CO2equivalents. Coal is still the third-fastest GROWING energy source in TWh (from the article), so the question is really 90% of what?

Retric 2y ago
Coal bounced back from an economic downturn in 2023. The previous peak was in 2014 at 44,858 TWh which was almost matched in 2022 and then slightly exceeded in 2023. Hardly significant growth. It’s likely somewhere between 2023 and 2026 will be the all time peak but it’s only really dependent on the economy in the short term. Long term coal is clearly dying and looking at China’s energy policies it’s going to start dying quickly.
- ZeroGravitas 2y ago
  One interesting stat I saw recently is that China is electrifying at a much faster rate than any other country. Which means, even if you ignore the nuclear, hydro, wind and solar that they are building at world leading speeds, the electricity from coal is being used to much more efficiently achieve actual services that in Texas or wherever has slightly less coal in their electricity mix, is being done inefficiently with gas or oil.

einpoklum 2y ago

> IMO it is close. ... ~40%... increasing by over 1.5% per year and accelerating. That would have been close 15 years ago. We are already way behind, and suffering warming effects with droughts, and fires, and heat waves, and floods etc. :-( > Cars last a long time so every ICE sold today is ~26 years of pollution locked in. I would actually guess that 26 years is more of a maximum rather than an average. But regardless - regulatory measures could enforce increasingly more strict pollution limits, which would make it so that the more polluting cars will not be able to be driven legally without some expensive modifications to capture emissions internally. In fact, this already happens in many countries today, forcing decades-old, super-polluting car models off the road. And the availability of gasoline distribution stations could decrease etc.

Retric 2y ago
Global warming has been noticeable and accelerating for 50+ years. Being at the turning point where CO2 emissions are likely lower within 5-10 years despite population and economic growth represents a great deal of progress. > I would actually guess that 26 years is more of a maximum rather than an average. It’s actually a low estimate. Average car on the road in the US is 12.6 years *2 = 25.2 but that’s biased because there’s a slow increase in the number of cars on the road which underestimates lifespan. Also there is there is a net outflow of cars from American that get sent to other countries.
- einpoklum 2y ago
  > Average car on the road in the US is 12.6 years *2 = 25.2 Hmm... I was naturally thinking about the country I live in (Palestine/Israel), but then I remembered I see a lot of old cars in US movies. Guess I'll take your word and assume that's more like the global average.
  - Retric 2y ago
    Israel has younger cars than the US because the total number of cars is increasing rapidly and you don’t manufacture (import) old cars instead mostly buying new ones. In 2013 there were 2.85 million, it grew to 3.97 million by 2022. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1364372/number-of-motor-vehicles-in-israel/#:~:text=In%202022%2C%20the%20total%20number,steady%20increase%20can%20be%20observed https://www.statista.com/statistics/1364372/number-of-motor-....