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Demosthenes was an Ancient Greek who called the Macedons barbaroi, as in, not Greek. That's pretty clear-cut. He went as far as to say that Philip of Macedon,
by zozbot234 2y ago
Demosthenes was an Ancient Greek who called the Macedons barbaroi, as in, not Greek. That's pretty clear-cut. He went as far as to say that Philip of Macedon, father of Alexander the Great "... is not only no Greek, nor related to the Greeks, but not even a barbarian from any place that can be named with honour, but a pestilent knave from Macedonia, whence it was never yet possible to buy a decent slave".
- d_tr 2y ago"Alexander" ("Aleksandros") and "Philip" ("Philippos") are very Greek names though. They are composite words with very clear meanings which any Greek with basic literacy can understand, because they use "αλέξι-", "άνδρας", "φίλος" and "ίππος" every day. This sounds more clear-cut than an instance of Greeks from different regions shitting on each other. In any case, the notion that the people of North Macedonia have anything to do with Alexander is laughable, as Kiro Gligorov himself stated.
- drexlspivey 2y agoMacedons spoke the Greek language. Philip's and Alexander's names are Greek. Philip launched a successful military campaign to unite all Greeks. Are you seriously arguing that Philip and Alexander were Slavs?
- lolinder 2y ago> Are you seriously arguing that Philip and Alexander were Slavs? Could you lay off the straw men and try to address the actual argument?
- drexlspivey 2y agoI just explained why they were Greek, do you have anything constructive to add?
- quotz 2y agoBut the ancient greeks considered them not greek. They wouldnt let them compete at the olympics either. However, if we hypothesize that in similarity how the ancient macedonians started becoming roman and byzantine after, the same way they were actually assimilated into being slavs and mixed with them, because the slavs were in fact very open minded who was a slav and who wasnt, then we could say that the genetic line is there and in fact lots of people in the balkans and anatolia and south italy trace greek heritage. The slavs from russia and ural are very different looking than the balkan slavs. In addition, you dont see many ethnic hungarians that look asian, even though the initial magyars were asian nomads. Same with bulgaria, the bulgars were asian nomads from the steppe, but hardly any ethnic bulgarians look asian. Meaning, the initial conquerors were a minority group being overlords or leaders of a majority local natives, who then got assimilated. The mixing of peoples was there. The genetic trace is there. But the political rhetoric is crazy.
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- d_tr 2y ago> But the ancient greeks considered them not greek. They wouldnt let them compete at the olympics either. Says who? Citation needed.
- morbicer 2y agoDémosthenés for one? Did you not read the OP? Also Wikipedia mentions this multiple times https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Macedonians https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Macedonians Gosh nationalism was stupid back then and remains stupid nowadays.
- d_tr 2y agoI commented on Demosthenes. Wikipedia as a source for a highly heated political matter like this? Talk about stupid things. And keep your moronic assumptions about how I am a nationalist to yourself. They spoke Greek, they worshipped the same Gods, they did participate in the Olympics. Everything about them was Greek. There are coins with Alexander's name where the name is written exactly as I write it today, in Greek, down to the letter and to the stroke. And maybe do some research on what Alexander himself considered his region and himself as. I am sure you would want to respect that. I understand the need of a state to create some kind of coherent narrative to keep itself together, but enough with this charade. "Gosh"...